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by satishchandra » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:39 am
According to the enrollment statistics published by U.S. medical schools, the number of female medical students is equivalent to the number of male medical students currently enrolled in medical school.

a) the number of female medical students is equivalent to the number of male medical students currently enrolled in medical school
b) as many female as male students are currently enrolled in medical school
c) the number of female students is as many as that of male students currently enrolled in medical school
d) as great as the number of female is the number of male students currently enrolled in medical school
e) female and male students are currently enrolled in equal numbers in medical school

Correct Ans: B

My question is what is wrong with Option C and Option E?

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by GmatKiss » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:24 am
satishchandra wrote:According to the enrollment statistics published by U.S. medical schools, the number of female medical students is equivalent to the number of male medical students currently enrolled in medical school.

a) the number of female medical students is equivalent to the number of male medical students currently enrolled in medical school
b) as many female as male students are currently enrolled in medical school
c) the number of female students is as many as that of male students currently enrolled in medical school
d) as great as the number of female is the number of male students currently enrolled in medical school
e) female and male students are currently enrolled in equal numbers in medical school

Correct Ans: B

My question is what is wrong with Option C and Option E?
First and foremost pls publish the OA only with spoiler!!

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by krishnakumar.ks » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:47 am
GmatKiss wrote:
satishchandra wrote:According to the enrollment statistics published by U.S. medical schools, the number of female medical students is equivalent to the number of male medical students currently enrolled in medical school.

a) the number of female medical students is equivalent to the number of male medical students currently enrolled in medical school
b) as many female as male students are currently enrolled in medical school
c) the number of female students is as many as that of male students currently enrolled in medical school
d) as great as the number of female is the number of male students currently enrolled in medical school
e) female and male students are currently enrolled in equal numbers in medical school

Correct Ans: B

My question is what is wrong with Option C and Option E?
First and foremost pls publish the OA only with spoiler!!
I am with you GmatKiss. People might want to try the question first without looking at the OA. So posting a question should serve the dual purpose of clarifying one's doubt/s as well as help others give it a shot.

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by GMATGuruNY » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:13 am
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The first discusses a quick way to determine the OA; the second discusses the difference between equivalent and equal.
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by krishnakumar.ks » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:18 am
satishchandra wrote:According to the enrollment statistics published by U.S. medical schools, the number of female medical students is equivalent to the number of male medical students currently enrolled in medical school.

a) the number of female medical students is equivalent to the number of male medical students currently enrolled in medical school
b) as many female as male students are currently enrolled in medical school - correct idiomatic expression
c) the number of female students is as many as that of male students currently enrolled in medical school - "The number of" is a singular subject here. The usage would be correct had the sentence been "The number of female students from diverse backgrounds are as many as .... ". In this example, the emphasis is on "many female students", thus, making it a plural subject.
d) as great as the number of female is the number of male students currently enrolled in medical school
e) female and male students are currently enrolled in equal numbers in medical school - Well..I don't see any mistake in this one but I would still prefer B because of its conciseness.

Correct Ans: B

My question is what is wrong with Option C and Option E?

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by bpdulog » Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:33 am
I went with A. Doesn't "as many" mean greater to or equivalent than? It seemed like the meaning was changed when I looked at choice B.
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by satishchandra » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:12 pm
krishnakumar.ks wrote: "The number of" is a singular subject here.
Agreed
The usage would be correct had the sentence been "The number of female students from diverse backgrounds are as many as .... ". In this example, the emphasis is on "many female students", thus, making it a plural subject.
I don't think so.
How can the usage of 'are' instead of 'is' resolve the issue in C?
It would still be incorrect as 'are' does not agree with 'the number of'
Correct me if i am wrong.
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The first discusses a quick way to determine the OA
Using the concept of modifiers, I could eliminate 'E'.
However, in option 'C' "cuttently enrolled" correctly modifies male medical students.
Is it wrong because 'the number of' is not mentioned before male medical students?
If so, Can't the placement of 'that'refer back to 'the number of'?
I am not too convinced on what grounds we can eliminate 'C'

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by krishnakumar.ks » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:15 pm
It would still be incorrect as 'are' does not agree with 'the number of'
Hi Satish, I am not sure, if the example I have used is quite convincing to you, but my intention was

The number of female students from diverse backgrounds are as many as...

The subject here would become female students which is plural and hence the verb "are". Hope this helps or ignore my post and seek some expert help which might help us both :)

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by GMATGuruNY » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:15 am
satishchandra wrote:
krishnakumar.ks wrote: "The number of" is a singular subject here.
Agreed
The usage would be correct had the sentence been "The number of female students from diverse backgrounds are as many as .... ". In this example, the emphasis is on "many female students", thus, making it a plural subject.
I don't think so.
How can the usage of 'are' instead of 'is' resolve the issue in C?
It would still be incorrect as 'are' does not agree with 'the number of'
Correct me if i am wrong.
GMATGuruNY wrote:
The first discusses a quick way to determine the OA
Using the concept of modifiers, I could eliminate 'E'.
However, in option 'C' "cuttently enrolled" correctly modifies male medical students.
Is it wrong because 'the number of' is not mentioned before male medical students?
If so, Can't the placement of 'that'refer back to 'the number of'?
I am not too convinced on what grounds we can eliminate 'C'
The ambiguity in C is whether currently enrolled modifies only the number of male students or BOTH the number of male students AND the number of female students.
A reader could make the following interpretations:
The number of female students currently enrolled = the number of male students currently enrolled.
The number of female students (over the past 10 years?) = the number of male students currently enrolled.
Since B avoids this ambiguity, eliminate C and choose B.

The other issue is that we cannot say THE number is as many as.
THE number refers to an ACTUAL NUMBER (such as 2,5,10,etc.).
Incorrect: Five is AS MANY AS ten halves.
Correct: Five is EQUAL TO ten halves.
To compare actual numbers, we use EQUAL:
The number of female students IS EQUAL TO the number of male students.
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by satishchandra » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:38 am
Thank you for detailed explanation. I have two questions.
GMATGuruNY wrote:
The ambiguity in C is whether currently enrolled modifies only the number of male students or BOTH the number of male students AND the number of female students.
A reader could make the following interpretations:
The number of female students currently enrolled = the number of male students currently enrolled.
The number of female students (over the past 10 years?) = the number of male students currently enrolled.
Since B avoids this ambiguity, eliminate C and choose B.
Very clear
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The other issue is that we cannot say THE number is as many as.
THE number refers to an ACTUAL NUMBER (such as 2,5,10,etc.).
Incorrect: Five is AS MANY AS ten halves.
Correct: Five is EQUAL TO ten halves.
I have as many coins as Doug has.
Is this wrong? When and when not "as many as" to be used?
krishnakumar.ks wrote:
The number of female students from diverse backgrounds are as many as...

The subject here would become female students which is plural and hence the verb "are". Hope this helps or ignore my post and seek some expert help which might help us both
What is the subject in the sentence above?
Can 'female students just be subject instead of 'the number of female students?'

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by GMATGuruNY » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:04 am
satishchandra wrote: I have as many coins as Doug has.
The sentence above is correct. The following, however, would be incorrect: THE NUMBER of coins that I have is as many as THE NUMBER of coins that Doug has. THE NUMBER is a singular subject; a singular subject cannot be MANY. The following would be correct: The number of coins that I have is EQUAL TO the number that Doug has.
krishnakumar.ks wrote:
The number of female students from diverse backgrounds are as many as...

The subject here would become female students which is plural and hence the verb "are". Hope this helps or ignore my post and seek some expert help which might help us both
What is the subject in the sentence above?
Can 'female students just be subject instead of 'the number of female students?'
The subject is THE NUMBER. Of female students is an adjective describing the number. What kind of number? The number OF FEMALE STUDENTS. Since THE NUMBER is a singular subject, the sentence needs to say: THE NUMBER of female students IS.
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by satishchandra » Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:08 am
Thanks GMATGuruNY :)
All my doubts are very clearly explaned.

Thanks Krishna :)
Hope your doubts got explained too