Newspaper editorial:
In an attempt to reduce the crime rate, the governor is getting tough on criminals and making prison conditions harsher. Part of this effort has been to deny inmates the access they formerly had to college-level courses. However, this action is clearly counter to the governor’s ultimate goal, since after being released form prison, inmates who had taken such courses committed far fewer crimes overall than other inmates.
Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
A. Not being able to take college-level courses while in prison is unlikely to deter anyone from a crime that he or she might otherwise have committed.
B. Former inmates are no more likely to commit crimes than are members of the general population.
C. The group of inmates who chose to take college-level courses were not already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released.
D. Taking high school level courses in prison has less effect on an inmate’s subsequent behavior than taking college-level courses does.
E. The governor’s ultimate goal actually is to gain popularity by convincing people that something effective is being done about crime.
OA: A
The debate is between A and C
Stuart/Ian or Verbal experts on this forum please shed some light on this(point out the conclusion and why a certain answers choice is the best assumption)
I feel the conclusion is the action to stop inmates from taking college courses to reduce crime acts as acounter to stopping the crime.
If we negate C then the argument falls apart. If the inmates who took college courses and did less crime than others were less likely to have commited the crime in the first place then the action taken by the governor to deny inmates the access they formerly had to college-level courses does not counter his ultimate goal.
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Good Qn
I too agree that there is a tough choice between A and C.
As in my previous posts, Assumption questions -- I first tend to weaken the argument and then negate the weakening.
So points to weaken the argument .
a) Perhaps the group A- people willing to take the course are softer and do not commit crimes at all. Perhaps the group A are well educated and want to reform and hence subscribe for course. Given this criteria, then removing the course may not have any effect on this group as they are already trying to reform.
Hence to negate this weakening point -- We should assume that the group A and group B are equally likely to commit the crimes .
That gives us the option C.
C. The group of inmates who chose to take college-level courses were not already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released.
But this option does not go further and mention that the course indeed helps in reducing the crime. Although the groups are equally likely to commit the crime, it is also necessary to assume that the course is indeed beneficial and reduces the crime.
My second weakening point
b) May be it is not the course but other things will influence a person to commit the crime. Even though a group might have subscribed to a course, but that group is likely to commit crime later due to other reasons.
This line of weakening mentions about the course and its implications.
HEnce when we negate the weakening..--->we get the option A..
A. Not being able to take college-level courses while in prison is unlikely to deter anyone from a crime that he or she might otherwise have committed.
This option mentions that by not taking the course, that group / person is unlikely to not commit a crime. By not being able to take the course, the person is still likely to commit the crime. in which case the course stands out as a reform for that person.
My $0.02.
I too agree that there is a tough choice between A and C.
As in my previous posts, Assumption questions -- I first tend to weaken the argument and then negate the weakening.
So points to weaken the argument .
a) Perhaps the group A- people willing to take the course are softer and do not commit crimes at all. Perhaps the group A are well educated and want to reform and hence subscribe for course. Given this criteria, then removing the course may not have any effect on this group as they are already trying to reform.
Hence to negate this weakening point -- We should assume that the group A and group B are equally likely to commit the crimes .
That gives us the option C.
C. The group of inmates who chose to take college-level courses were not already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released.
But this option does not go further and mention that the course indeed helps in reducing the crime. Although the groups are equally likely to commit the crime, it is also necessary to assume that the course is indeed beneficial and reduces the crime.
My second weakening point
b) May be it is not the course but other things will influence a person to commit the crime. Even though a group might have subscribed to a course, but that group is likely to commit crime later due to other reasons.
This line of weakening mentions about the course and its implications.
HEnce when we negate the weakening..--->we get the option A..
A. Not being able to take college-level courses while in prison is unlikely to deter anyone from a crime that he or she might otherwise have committed.
This option mentions that by not taking the course, that group / person is unlikely to not commit a crime. By not being able to take the course, the person is still likely to commit the crime. in which case the course stands out as a reform for that person.
My $0.02.
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matterover, thanks for taking the time and providing a detailed post.
Can u address this from ur point of view?
I feel the conclusion is the action to stop inmates from taking college courses to reduce crime acts as acounter to stopping the crime.
If we negate C then the argument falls apart. If the inmates who took college courses and did less crime than others were less likely to have commited the crime in the first place then the action taken by the governor to deny inmates the access they formerly had to college-level courses does not counter his ultimate goal
Can u address this from ur point of view?
I feel the conclusion is the action to stop inmates from taking college courses to reduce crime acts as acounter to stopping the crime.
If we negate C then the argument falls apart. If the inmates who took college courses and did less crime than others were less likely to have commited the crime in the first place then the action taken by the governor to deny inmates the access they formerly had to college-level courses does not counter his ultimate goal
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It's important to recognize the scope of the argument here. The newspaper is saying: The governor's plan will not reduce crime because inmates who take college courses commit less crime after being released. The argument assumes that the college courses themselves have some kind of influence on inmates. Perhaps they don't; perhaps the inmates who take college courses are exactly those people who want to abandon their life of crime. C is an assumption in the argument.cramya wrote:Newspaper editorial:
In an attempt to reduce the crime rate, the governor is getting tough on criminals and making prison conditions harsher. Part of this effort has been to deny inmates the access they formerly had to college-level courses. However, this action is clearly counter to the governor’s ultimate goal, since after being released form prison, inmates who had taken such courses committed far fewer crimes overall than other inmates.
Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
A. Not being able to take college-level courses while in prison is unlikely to deter anyone from a crime that he or she might otherwise have committed.
C. The group of inmates who chose to take college-level courses were not already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released.
It's an interesting CR question, because A is also tempting. A provides an alternative reason that the governor's plan might not achieve its goal, but it's not relevant to the newspaper's argument, which makes no mention of the deterrent effect of the governor's plan, and which is only concerned with crimes committed after prisoners are released.
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You can't always trust the OAs provided in forums. Cramya mentioned in a PM to me that he was unsure of the reliability of the OA (I think he found it on another forum), and the answer certainly should be C here.piyush_nitt wrote:But OA is A isn't it ??cramya wrote:Thanks so much Ian!
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I think OA is right as always, but sometimes unfortunately )
I eliminated C because it's talking about some actual group of people - "The group" - 1-st of all there is no such concrete group of inmates mentioned in the passage. Second, when someone is getting tough on somebody in an whatsoever attempt - such actions may be estimated only as deterrent.
Third,
C. The group of inmates who chose to take college-level courses were not already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released.
: means that after realising and gotten all courses they are still inclined to crimes(may be my english is just not perfect and I got it wrong)
I eliminated C because it's talking about some actual group of people - "The group" - 1-st of all there is no such concrete group of inmates mentioned in the passage. Second, when someone is getting tough on somebody in an whatsoever attempt - such actions may be estimated only as deterrent.
Third,
C. The group of inmates who chose to take college-level courses were not already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released.
: means that after realising and gotten all courses they are still inclined to crimes(may be my english is just not perfect and I got it wrong)
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The group of people who take college courses is mentioned in the passage, when the passage says 'inmates who had taken such courses committed far fewer crimes overall than other inmates.'S0laris wrote:I think OA is right as always, but sometimes unfortunately )
I eliminated C because it's talking about some actual group of people - "The group" - 1-st of all there is no such concrete group of inmates mentioned in the passage.
It is the deterrent effect of the governor's plan that you should have discarded as being irrelevant - the deterrent effect of the plan isn't mentioned in the argument.S0laris wrote: Second, when someone is getting tough on somebody in an whatsoever attempt - such actions may be estimated only as deterrent.
I think you've misinterpreted the meaning of this statement. There are two possibilities:S0laris wrote: Third,
C. The group of inmates who chose to take college-level courses were not already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released.
: means that after realising and gotten all courses they are still inclined to crimes(may be my english is just not perfect and I got it wrong)
1) the inmates who took college courses were just as likely as other inmates to commit crimes before they started their courses. We can rephrase this as in the question: "The group of inmates who chose to take college-level courses were not already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released." Then, after they finished their courses, they did not go on to commit crimes. If this is what happened, we could justifiably assume that the courses themselves had some kind of positive effect on crime reduction;
2) Or, we have the other possibility: the inmates who took college courses were already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released. Maybe it's the inmates who want to give up on crime and get real jobs who take the courses in the first place. If that's the case, then the courses themselves might have no effect on reducing crime - instead, the people taking these courses aren't representative of the general population of inmates.
The argument is claiming that the courses had some kind of crime-reducing effect. That is, the argument is assuming case 1) above is true, which is precisely what answer C says.
I can assure you the answer to this question is not A. The posts on the forum you linked to above generally seem to misunderstand the meaning of the word 'already' in answer choice C; here 'already' means 'before they began taking their courses'.
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appreciate your fervour, already - was the case indeedIan Stewart wrote: .........................
I can assure you the answer to this question is not A. The posts on the forum you linked to above generally seem to misunderstand the meaning of the word 'already' in answer choice C; here 'already' means 'before they began taking their courses'.
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