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## Totally Clueless

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Dukemm Newbie | Next Rank: 10 Posts
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#### Totally Clueless

Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:06 pm
Hey all, i was told by one of my friends that this forum can provide very good advise for GMAT takers. I am thinking of taking GMAT to apply for an MBA but I am totally clueless about it.

Can anyone suggest how i should start?

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Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:27 am
Hi Dukemm,

Since it sounds like you're just beginning your studies, then it would be a good idea to take a FULL-LENGTH practice CAT Test; you can download 2 for free from www.mba.com (and they come with some additional practice materials). If you want to do a little studying first, so that you can familiarize yourself with the basic content and question types, then that's okay - but you shouldn't wait too long to take that initial CAT. That score will give us a good sense of your natural strengths and weaknesses and will help provide a basis for comparison as you continue to study. A FULL CAT takes about 4 hours to complete, so make sure that you've set aside enough time to take it in one sitting. Once you have those scores, you should report back here and we can come up with a study plan.

I'd like to know a bit more about your timeline and goals:
1) What is your goal score?
2) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
3) When are you planning to apply to Business School?

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Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:40 pm
TC,

I recommend that your very first step be to take a diagnostic test, ideally at www.mba.com. Why? Because GMAC are the test makers so theirs the closest thing to what you'll really be taking. Your performance on this diagnostic will identify/provide the following data points:

1) how you FEEL while taking the test and about the duration of the test (your stamina)
2) how you SCORE - both in terms of numerical score and where your current strengths and weaknesses fall on the spectrum
3) the SUPRISE/NO SUPRISE factor between 1 and 2

From the results of the diagnostic, you can then determine the best method, for you, of meeting you GOAL score which is likely aligned with schools you're wanting to gain acceptance to as well as your history in how you best improve upon your natural skill sets. How did you study for the SAT/ACT if you did study at all for it? What worked what didn't?

I don't recommend you study first, which Rich and others say/will say as an option...mostly because this diagnostic is a baseline score, a snapshot of how you'd perform right NOW and TODAY if you took the test. While you'll familiarize yourself with content and question types, pre-study is the equivalent of going on a diet but not weighing yourself prior. And it could be a rabbit hole in learning grammar, dealing with time managment, reacquainting yourself with 7-9th grade math. Just do it and know you'll likeley improve immediately.

It will become obvious fairly quickly that you're rusty (or not) in certain areas and the gains made by a little familiarity will skew how much you might impove, plus there are many hours of things to do to get (most) students up to speed.

The main thing that is different from 'real life' is the quant data sufficiency questions...which could be a brain twister if you're not familiar with their format, but compleletly doable. Many people taking the GMAT see this format on test day for the first time, so you're already ahead of the game doing this 'diag' beforehand.

Once you complete the diagnostic, and spend some time reviewing what you did know, what you're suprised you knew and what you flat-out didn't know, come back to the forum and we can all give you our feedback on next steps for score improvement (if you need it). This might include:

1) DIY study alone with the many resources available through people and organizations here and online

2) Group courses which are often solid solutions however deliver in a one-size fits all way. These typically provide a soup-to-nuts exposure of everything GMAT but typically don't include your specific needs and cannot always provide a kind of fine tuning that comes with

3) Individualized/one-to-one tutoring. This is typically less total hours for a student but not necessarily more economical. Still, if time is of a greater value to you and you want to focus on what YOU need to do to improve your score, this would be the way to go. For example, a course might be 30 hours, whereas, 1-2-1 can be anywhere from 5 - 20 hours total, depending where the students is starting out and where they want to go.

4) I also recommend you check in to review your history with taking tests, because knowing the material doesn't always determine top performance. The GMAT is not only about what you know, but how well you take tests...so strategy, critical thinking, time management and your 'mindset' will determine your performance and score...so how you 'score' yourself on this and recognition if you need support in these areas could catapault your score. For example, we worked with a student ONLY on his mindset, for 5 hours, and his score went up 230 points in a weekend. While this is atypical, gaining 50-100 points for just feeling confident and focused when taking the exam is fairly common with our students.

You'll want to set up a time line as to WHEN you want to take TWO tests - - most students take the test at least 2x, so what does your calander look with this in mind as well as what Round you're applying to, and when your ap(s) are due.

Good Luck!

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Dukemm Newbie | Next Rank: 10 Posts
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:10 am
Thanks for the great advice guys! I managed to do a full length practice test and I scored 650. Not too bad, but definitely not good enough. I will be working on my weak areas in the months to come!

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Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:27 pm
Hi Dukemm,

To start, a 650 is a really initial CAT Score (the average score on the Official GMAT hovers around 540-550 most years). Your original post was almost 3 months ago, so I'm curious about your studies during that time. What work have you done? What were your Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for this CAT (and is this the only CAT that you've taken?)

Beyond those questions, it would also help to know a bit more about your overall timeline and goals:
1) What is your goal score?
2) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
3) When are you planning to apply to Business School?

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich

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