The BATS !!! Sentence correction

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The BATS !!! Sentence correction

by Homer4 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:25 am
Aome bats caves,like honeybee hives, have residents
that take on different duties, such as defending the
enterance, acting as sentinels and to sound a warning
at the approach of danger, and scouting Qutside the cave
for new food and roosting sites.

a) acting as senitels and to sound
b) acting as senitels and sounding
c) to act as senitels and sound
d) to act as senitels and to sound
e) to act as senitel sounding

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by avik.ch » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:45 am
Its B. parallelism

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by Homer4 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:57 am
OA : B
Thanks for the response even I picked B but later I thought Is sounding warning grammatically correct?

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by avik.ch » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:02 am
Homer4 wrote:OA : B
Thanks for the response even I picked B but later I thought Is sounding warning grammatically correct?
its sounding a warning. "a warning" is a noun. Consider it as sounding X, where X is the object of "sounding".

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by [email protected] » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:00 am
Aome bats caves,like honeybee hives, have residents
that take on different duties, such as defending the
enterance, acting as sentinels and to sound a warning
at the approach of danger, and scouting Qutside the cave
for new food and roosting sites.

a) acting as senitels and to sound
b) acting as senitels and sounding
c) to act as senitels and sound
d) to act as senitels and to sound
e) to act as senitel sounding


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by vikram4689 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:53 pm
I understand B is best but why we have and shouldn't there be comma. Following are the || parts
  • defending the entrance
    acting as sentinels and sounding a warning at the approach of danger, and
    scouting outside the cave for new food and roosting sites.
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by vikram4689 » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:26 pm
Experts please comment if "A, B and C, and D and E" is correct structure for a list.
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by vikram4689 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:56 pm
How come B is parallel... any thoughts
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by lunarpower » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:51 pm
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vikram4689 wrote:Experts please comment if "A, B and C, and D and E" is correct structure for a list.
unfortunately, this is exactly the kind of analysis that is going to get you nowhere in general: you're trying to strip away all of the context and act as though a sentence is some sort of formula. in general, that kind of approach simply isn't going to work.
grammar is determined by context! if you take the context away, grammatical structures become meaningless!

in other words, what's troubling about the question you've asked here is that (it appears) you don't think it matters what words are in the spots you've designated as a, b, etc.
the specific words make all the difference in the world, because the context determines what is SUPPOSED to be parallel in the first place.

for example, consider the following:
i spent all day napping, eating, and reading books and magazines
--> CORRECT
this sentence describes three things that i did: (1) nap, (2) eat, and (3) read books and magazines.
notice that #3 here is one activity, so this is actually the way in which the structure must be written in order to make sense.

i spent all day napping, eating, reading books, and magazines
--> INCORRECT
these are not four different things, so it makes no sense to write them as four parallel constructions.

i spent all day napping, eating, and reading books and writing songs
--> INCORRECT
these are actually four different activities, so they need to be written as a traditional list of four (a, b, c, and d). in this version, "reading books and writing songs" is written as though it were one activity; that's actually two different activities.

i spent all day napping, eating, reading books, and writing songs
--> CORRECT
four different activities, expressed correctly as a list of four separate parallel constructions.

the same basic principle is at work here.
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by avik.ch » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:20 pm
lunarpower wrote: for example, consider the following:
i spent all day napping, eating, and reading books and magazines
--> CORRECT
this sentence describes three things that i did: (1) nap, (2) eat, and (3) read books and magazines.
notice that #3 here is one activity, so this is actually the way in which the structure must be written in order to make sense.

i spent all day napping, eating, reading books, and magazines
--> INCORRECT
these are not four different things, so it makes no sense to write them as four parallel constructions.

i spent all day napping, eating, and reading books and writing songs
--> INCORRECT
these are actually four different activities, so they need to be written as a traditional list of four (a, b, c, and d). in this version, "reading books and writing songs" is written as though it were one activity; that's actually two different activities.

i spent all day napping, eating, reading books, and writing songs
--> CORRECT
four different activities, expressed correctly as a list of four separate parallel constructions.

the same basic principle is at work here.
Awesome analogy, Ron sir.

Can you please suggest on how to create such analogy in SC. Is it that only experts are capable of doing it ? Or we too can do it.

Please help.

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by vikram4689 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:12 am
Thanks Ron, when i first attempted this ques. i was not sure of meaning of "sentinels" and that is why i thought sounding a warning at the approach of danger refers to an all together different activity but now i realized that sentinels are guards and sounding a warning at the approach of danger is a part of acting as sentinels... activity
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by catty2004 » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:12 pm
lunarpower wrote:i received a private message about this thread.
vikram4689 wrote:Experts please comment if "A, B and C, and D and E" is correct structure for a list.
unfortunately, this is exactly the kind of analysis that is going to get you nowhere in general: you're trying to strip away all of the context and act as though a sentence is some sort of formula. in general, that kind of approach simply isn't going to work.
grammar is determined by context! if you take the context away, grammatical structures become meaningless!

in other words, what's troubling about the question you've asked here is that (it appears) you don't think it matters what words are in the spots you've designated as a, b, etc.
the specific words make all the difference in the world, because the context determines what is SUPPOSED to be parallel in the first place.

for example, consider the following:
i spent all day napping, eating, and reading books and magazines
--> CORRECT
this sentence describes three things that i did: (1) nap, (2) eat, and (3) read books and magazines.
notice that #3 here is one activity, so this is actually the way in which the structure must be written in order to make sense.

i spent all day napping, eating, reading books, and magazines
--> INCORRECT
these are not four different things, so it makes no sense to write them as four parallel constructions.

i spent all day napping, eating, and reading books and writing songs
--> INCORRECT
these are actually four different activities, so they need to be written as a traditional list of four (a, b, c, and d). in this version, "reading books and writing songs" is written as though it were one activity; that's actually two different activities.

i spent all day napping, eating, reading books, and writing songs
--> CORRECT
four different activities, expressed correctly as a list of four separate parallel constructions.

the same basic principle is at work here.
Thanks for the explanation!

Could someone please help with my reasoning error? I, for some reason, thought "act as sentinels and sound warning" are ways to defend the entrance not as separate duties i.e.

...different duties such as
1) defending the entrance:
a)to act as sentinels
and
b)sound a warning ...
and
2) scouting outside....

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by lunarpower » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:04 am
catty2004 wrote:Could someone please help with my reasoning error? I, for some reason, thought "act as sentinels and sound warning" are ways to defend the entrance not as separate duties i.e.

...different duties such as
1) defending the entrance:
a)to act as sentinels
and
b)sound a warning ...
and
2) scouting outside....
... but those aren't ways to defend the entrance. i.e., "sounding a warning" may be a way of alerting others who will come to defend something (= the job description of a "sentinel"), but it's not actually a means of defense.

more importantly, there's no correctly constructed answer that corresponds to that interpretation, anyway. (if the modifier starts with "to", then it should describe the goal or intention of the preceding action. that's certainly not happening here; they are not defending the entrance with the ultimate goal of serving as sentinels.)
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