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by hmboy17 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:18 am
I cant decide between C and D. I think these two options talsk about the same thing-
C. the number of days with some rainfall, but no more than two inches, was higher in 1990 than in 1910
if this is true tht also confirm 20 % increase in rain in 1990
D. the total number of inches of rain that fell on days with moderate rainfall in 1990 was more than twice what it had been in 1910
this also does the same if the no of days of moderate rain is more then you can expect 20 % increase.
Can you post OA please so that I can sleep tonight

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by Spring2009 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:12 pm
Will GMAT have this kind of question?
It's really time consuming.

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by ashish1986 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:08 pm
Sure GMAT will have ques like these..'

this ain't too time consuming if u decide on every option the moment u read it.
start with A : oppoiste to the fact neglected
also D : negative
C : restatement of the fact
B: possible cant be true

leaves D, we have to find out a fact which supports that in 1990 there was more rainfall than there was in 1910..

D does it perfect ly

My pick D

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by agent47 » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:50 am
IMO "D"

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by crackgmat007 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:38 pm
This seems to be a very tricky question.

experts, help pls?

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by Testluv » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:59 pm
crackgmat007 wrote:This seems to be a very tricky question.

experts, help pls?
Hi guys,

The OA should be choice A.

The problem:

In Patton City, days are categorized as having heavy rainfall (more than two inches),
moderate rainfall (more than one inch, but no more than two inches), light rainfall (at
least a trace, but no more than one inch), or no rainfall. In 1990, there were fewer days
with light rainfall than in 1910 and fewer with moderate rainfall, yet total rainfall for the
year was 20 percent higher in 1990 than in 1910.
If the statements above are true, then it is also possible that in Patton City
A. the number of days with heavy rainfall was lower in 1990 than in 1910
B. the number of days with some rainfall, but no more than two inches, was the same
in 1990 as in 1910
C. the number of days with some rainfall, but no more than two inches, was higher in
1990 than in 1910
D. the total number of inches of rain that fell on days with moderate rainfall in 1990
was more than twice what it had been in 1910
E. the average amount of rainfall per month was lower in 1990 than in 1910

The Kaplan method tells us to read the question stem first. The question stem tells us to select a choice that is "possible." Because the right answer is something that is possible (could be true), the four wrong answers are impossible (must be false).

Before we even think about approaching the answer choices, we should analyze the stimulus, determining everything that must be true (and what does not necessarily have to be true). (Step 2 of Kaplan method for inference questions).

There are four kinds of days:
1) days with no rainfall;
2) days with light rainfall, which is more than zero up to (and inlcuding) one inch;
3) days with moderate rainfall, which is more than one and up to (and including) two inches; and
4) days with heavy rainfall, which is anything more than two inches.

In 1990, there were fewer days with light and moderate rainfall than in 1910. Also, in 1990, there was more total rainfall. This does not necessarily mean that there were more heavy rainfall days in 1990. Remember, we're talking ranges here. All of the light days in 1910 could have been close to zero while all of the light days in 1990 could have been closer to one. So, the excess rain in 1990 could be due either to more heavily rainy days or else the light and moderate days being more "rainy" than they were in 1910.

...Therefore, choice A could be true or is possible (matches the above deduction). Because we've found a match to our prediction, and because there can be only one credited response, we are done. Seriously, you are better off taking an extra moment confirming that this could be true, then trying to prove that the other four choices must be false (or impossible). You don't get rewarded for figuring four reasons why four wrong answers are wrong. (Steps 3 and 4 are predict and match).

But let's look at the other choices:

B. the number of days with some rainfall, but no more than two inches, was the same
in 1990 as in 1910.
These are the days with light and moderate rainfall. There were more of these days in 1910 than in in 1990. Therefore, this must be false (impossible).

C. the number of days with some rainfall, but no more than two inches, was higher in
1990 than in 1910.
This choice must be false for the same reason that chocie B must be false.

D. the total number of inches of rain that fell on days with moderate rainfall in 1990
was more than twice what it had been in 1910.

This is mathematically impossible. We know there are fewer moderatley rainy days in 1990 than in 1910, and the range is less than one inch. Even if we were to maximize moderate rainy days in 1990 and minimize in 1910, and minimize rain per moderately rainy day in 1910 while maximizing rain per moderately rainy day in 1990, this is still impossible. For example, let's say there are 11 moderately rainy days in 1910 with 1.1 inch per day, and 10 moderately rainy days in 1990 with 2.0 inches per day. Then we would have 11*1.1 = 12.1 inches of rainfall on moderately rainy days in 1910 while we would have 10*2.0 = 20 inches of rainfall on moderately rainy days in 1990. It is impossible that the rainfall on moderately rainy days in 1990 is more than twice as great as the amount of rain that fell on moderately rainy days in 1910.
Therefore, choice D must be false, or is impossible.
(But see how long that took to figure out? Honestly, process of elimination is not efficient).

Finally, choice E:
E. the average amount of rainfall per month was lower in 1990 than in 1910
Because the total amount of rain in 1990 was greater than it was in 1910, then the average rainfall per month will also be greater. For example, if total rainfall in 1910 was 100 and in 1990 was 120 (20% greater), then obviously 120/12 is greater than 100/12. Therefore, this choice also must be false (impossible).

Choose A.
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by Abdulla » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:06 pm
Thanks for the explanation
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by crackgmat007 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:08 pm
[spoiler]Honestly, process of elimination is not
efficient[/spoiler]

Very nice explanation.

One question with regard to strategy. Is there any reason why POE is ineffecient? Did you mean, once we know the answer is A, no need of POE. Coz sometimes, credited answer can be identified by getting rid of 4 choices.

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by Testluv » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:30 pm
crackgmat007 wrote:[spoiler]Honestly, process of elimination is not
efficient[/spoiler]

Very nice explanation.

One question with regard to strategy. Is there any reason why POE is ineffecient? Did you mean, once we know the answer is A, no need of POE. Coz sometimes, credited answer can be identified by getting rid of 4 choices.
Hi crackgmat007,

Yes, I did mean that it was quicker to identify the correct answer and why it is correct than it was to identify the four incorrect answers and why they are all incorrect.

It is true, that you can arrive at the right answer by eliminating the other four. It is also true that, most of the time, you can also arrive at the right answer more quickly by analyzing the stimulus, making a prediction (ie, "solving the problem"), and then aggressively scanning the answer choices for a match to that prediction.

Of course, this depends on how confident you are in your prediction, and how confident you are that you've found a match to it. But if you practice this technique (ie, method), you will find it very efficient and accurate.
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by Testluv » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:53 pm
Also, there is more than one way choice A could be true (of course, you only have to determine one way it could be true to know that it is the correct answer). I wrote that choice A could be true because the excess rain in 1990 could be due to the light and moderate days in 1990 being more rainy than the light and moderate days in 1910 .

For example, you could have 101 light days with 0.1 inches in 1910 (for a total of 10.1 inches) while you have 100 light days in 1990 with 1.0 inches (for a total of 100 inches). So you can have more total rainfall in 1990 than in 1910 without having more heavily rainy days (even though there are fewer light and moderate days in 1990 than in 1910).

But georgeung pointed out another way choice A could be true. You can have fewer heavily rainy days in 1990, but those days could have been a lot more "rainy" than the heavily rainy days in 1910. That is, you could have had 9 heavily rainy days in 1990 with 3 inches on each of those days (for a total of 27) while in 1910 you have 10 heavily rainy days, each with 2.1 inches (for a total of 21). So this is another way that it is possible that there are fewer heavy rainy days, fewer light days and fewer moderate days in 1990, but still having more total rain in 1990 than in 1910.
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by gmatv09 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:00 pm
IMO ... C

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by Testluv » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:56 am
gmatv09 wrote:IMO ... C
The answer cannot be choice C because we are directly told the exact opposite in the passage.
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by 2010gmat » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:59 am
luvly explanation testluv....can i borrow your mind for one day??? :twisted:

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by hariharakarthi » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:57 am
Ans Choice is A.

It is a very good inference question on Number and percentages.

The stimulus states about the categorization of rainfall as light, moderate, heavy and no rainfall. Moreover, it provides total average value of rainfall of 1900 is higher than 1910.

With only percentage and range, we can not infer the amount of rainfall. It is one of the trap mostly used in Numbers and Percentage probs.
We can easily eliminate B & C. It is not possible by what is stated in stimulus.

D& E. It is a trap answer. You have to look at the stimulus at a holistic view and find this trap.

That leaves ANS Choice A. First, I took my ans choice as D. But, after some analysis I figure it out.

Hope it helps.

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by Testluv » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:09 pm
2010gmat wrote:luvly explanation testluv....can i borrow your mind for one day??? :twisted:
Well, that depends...do you think you could lend me a few million dollars for, oh say, a lifetime? :lol:
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