Q.1)In the town of Z, the town lion roars on some days and not on others. If a day is
chosen at random from last March, what is the probability that on that day, either
the town lion roared or it rained?
(1) last March, the lion never roared on a rainy day.
(2) Last March, the lion roared on 10 fewer days than it rained.
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First of all where were you man or Manpreet Ji. I always find your questions of high quality.
We need to find P(rain or roar). And March has 31 days.
Statement 1) last March, the lion never roared on a rainy day.
I can safely assume that this statement is not sufficient as it does not give me any data and secondly it only provides me that P(rain and roar) = 0.
Not Sufficient!!!
Statement 2) Last March, the lion roared on 10 fewer days than it rained.
Lets say it rained on x days, so the lion roared on (x - 10) days.
P(rain or roar) = x/31 + (x- 10)/31 - P(rain and roar), since we don't know x. Not Sufficient!!!
Together we have, P(rain and roar) = 0 , but still no value of x. Hence Not Sufficient!!!
Answer E.
We need to find P(rain or roar). And March has 31 days.
Statement 1) last March, the lion never roared on a rainy day.
I can safely assume that this statement is not sufficient as it does not give me any data and secondly it only provides me that P(rain and roar) = 0.
Not Sufficient!!!
Statement 2) Last March, the lion roared on 10 fewer days than it rained.
Lets say it rained on x days, so the lion roared on (x - 10) days.
P(rain or roar) = x/31 + (x- 10)/31 - P(rain and roar), since we don't know x. Not Sufficient!!!
Together we have, P(rain and roar) = 0 , but still no value of x. Hence Not Sufficient!!!
Answer E.
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Target question: What is the probability that on that day, either the town lion roared or it rained?'manpreet singh wrote:Q.1)In the town of Z, the town lion roars on some days and not on others. If a day is
chosen at random from last March, what is the probability that on that day, either
the town lion roared or it rained?
(1) last March, the lion never roared on a rainy day.
(2) Last March, the lion roared on 10 fewer days than it rained.
This is an OR probability. The OR probability rule says, P(A or B) = P(A) + P(B) - P(A and B)
So, P(rained or roared) = P(rained) + P(roared) - P(rained and roared)
We can now reword the target question . . .
Target question: What is the value of P(rained) + P(roared) - P(rained and roared)?
Statement 1: Last March, the lion never roared on a rainy day.
In other words, P(rained and roared) = 0
Since we still don't know the values of P(rained) and P(roared), we cannot evaluate P(rained) + P(roared) - P(rained and roared)
Since we cannot answer the target question with certainty, statement 1 is NOT SUFFICIENT
Statement 2: Last March, the lion roared on 10 fewer days than it rained.
Let x = # of days the lion roared
So, x+10 = # of days it rained
This means P(roared) = x/31 and P(rained) = (x+10)/31
Since we still don't know the actual values of P(rained) and P(roared), and we don't know the value of P(roared and rained) we cannot evaluate P(rained) + P(roared) - P(rained and roared)
Since cannot answer the target question with certainty, statement 2 is NOT SUFFICIENT
Statements 1 and 2 combined:
From statement 1 we know that P(rained and roared) = 0
From statement 2 we know that P(roared) = x/31 and P(rained) = (x+10)/31
Put them together and we get: P(rained or roared) = (x+10)/31 + x/31 - 0
Since we still cannot answer the target question with certainty, the combined statements are NOT SUFFICIENT
Answer = E
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In addition to the solutions posted above, I'd just like to mention an oversight on my part when I tried solving this.
My answer was (C), which is obviously wrong but here's how I wrongly deduced it was (C).
Statement 1: Last March, the lion never roared on a rainy day.
It only tells us P(roar and rain)=0. INSUFFICIENT.
Statement 2: Last March, the lion roared on 10 fewer days than it rained.
But you still don't know if the lion roared on any rainy day.
INSUFFICIENT.
Now, when you combine the two:
(Here's where I goofed up)
From 1, you know that P(roar and rain)=0. So the lion didn't roar on a rainy day.
Now, there are 31 days in March
Using 2,
Let "x" be the # days it rained
Then x-10 is the # days the lion roared
Thus, x+(x-10)=31 --(I knew something was wrong at this point coz I wasn't getting a whole number, so i rounded off 31 to 30!!!!)
Thus, no. of rainy days=20 and no. of days lion roared=10.
So, since we got the value of "x" answer = (C).
The OVERSIGHT: There could have been days when it neither rained nor the lion roared !!!
In that case the x+(x-10)=31(or 30) fails.
And you could have cases like: 13 rainy days 3 roar days OR 29 rainy days and 19 roar days, etc., etc.
Moreover, had I actually calculated the probability, I would've got the following answer:
P(roar or rain)= P(roar)+P(rain)-P(roar and rain)
= 10/30 + 20/30 - 0
= 1 !!!!!!
Which makes sense coz according to my assumption, on any given day, the lion is either roaring or it's raining.
It's amazing just how much making mistakes can teach you so much
Is there anyone else who went down this path???
Anyway, thanks to Puneet and Brent for their wonderful explanations
Cheers,
Taz
P.S.: Please take a moment to hit the "Thank" button if this post helped.
My answer was (C), which is obviously wrong but here's how I wrongly deduced it was (C).
Statement 1: Last March, the lion never roared on a rainy day.
It only tells us P(roar and rain)=0. INSUFFICIENT.
Statement 2: Last March, the lion roared on 10 fewer days than it rained.
But you still don't know if the lion roared on any rainy day.
INSUFFICIENT.
Now, when you combine the two:
(Here's where I goofed up)
From 1, you know that P(roar and rain)=0. So the lion didn't roar on a rainy day.
Now, there are 31 days in March
Using 2,
Let "x" be the # days it rained
Then x-10 is the # days the lion roared
Thus, x+(x-10)=31 --(I knew something was wrong at this point coz I wasn't getting a whole number, so i rounded off 31 to 30!!!!)
Thus, no. of rainy days=20 and no. of days lion roared=10.
So, since we got the value of "x" answer = (C).
The OVERSIGHT: There could have been days when it neither rained nor the lion roared !!!
In that case the x+(x-10)=31(or 30) fails.
And you could have cases like: 13 rainy days 3 roar days OR 29 rainy days and 19 roar days, etc., etc.
Moreover, had I actually calculated the probability, I would've got the following answer:
P(roar or rain)= P(roar)+P(rain)-P(roar and rain)
= 10/30 + 20/30 - 0
= 1 !!!!!!
Which makes sense coz according to my assumption, on any given day, the lion is either roaring or it's raining.
It's amazing just how much making mistakes can teach you so much
Is there anyone else who went down this path???
Anyway, thanks to Puneet and Brent for their wonderful explanations
Cheers,
Taz
P.S.: Please take a moment to hit the "Thank" button if this post helped.
Last edited by tabsang on Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:43 am, edited 2 times in total.
Here are other explanations for further understanding:
https://www.beatthegmat.com/roar-and-rain-t55146.html
https://www.beatthegmat.com/probability-t56096.html
Cheers,
Taz
https://www.beatthegmat.com/roar-and-rain-t55146.html
https://www.beatthegmat.com/probability-t56096.html
Cheers,
Taz
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Thanks Punneet for missing me and liking my question feels great to know people appreciate the question i put here.I was little busy with personel mess, now i am looking to concentrate back on the exam and wrap it up in jan or feb 2013.Been delaying it for long now.
I yes you are right with answers .
Thanks brent too for his explanation ,simple and easy as always and Hope Taz you got your doubt cleared thanks for giving an insight into your error.
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I yes you are right with answers .
Thanks brent too for his explanation ,simple and easy as always and Hope Taz you got your doubt cleared thanks for giving an insight into your error.
Manpreet
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