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gmatmoni: Newbie | Next Rank: 10 Posts; Posts: 6; Joined: Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:02 pm

by gmatmoni » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:48 pm

Hi,

how to improve the CR should I go throughly the LSAT Book or just do the questions from that

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by beatthegmat » Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:44 am

Going through LSAT books for critical reasoning is one strategy that has been used by members here. However, I've been a little skeptical about this strategy in the past because I think studying from GMAT-specific materials is always idea.

Have you seen the PowerScore Critical Reasoning Bible? It's one of the best CR books on the market right now, you may want to check it out. Here's a link to download a CR Bible Chapter to give you a preview.

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by gmatmoni » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:58 am

thanx

ya i have started that book ....
But for practice i am not getting any nice material which will hve explanation for the answers

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by hypermeganet » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:39 pm

I spent 3 months studying for the LSAT (I took it on 9/26) and the CR on the GMAT is similar.

From what I've seen, "hard" CR questions on the GMAT are about equal to "easy" or "medium" LSAT questions. But, to that point, it might be overkill learning LSAT methods for CR.

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by Karen » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:31 pm

I recommend getting the OG and the OG verbal supplement and studying those. Some LSAT questions are very similar to GMAT questions, but a lot of them are more focused on strict application of rules of formal logic than the kinds of questions you typically see on the GMAT. It's true that LSAT CRs (technically called LAs) are harder than GMAT CRs, but some of the hardness involves traps you pretty much never see on the GMAT, so some of the study would be a waste of time.

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by gmatmoni » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:52 pm

but OG series don't contain much 700-800 CR.....

to score high u need to practice more tough questions, but for my practice I am not getting good source which will have 700-800 questions along with explanation.

Can u recommend any such verbal material.

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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:46 pm

LSAT logical reasoning is NOT representative of any level of GMAT CR.

While LR and CR may seem to be very similar on the surface, and while they do in fact test many of the same concepts, they often do so in radically different ways.

As Karen noted, the LSAT places a lot of weight on formal logic, something you'll almost certainly never see on the GMAT.

Further, there are really only 4 common CR question types (in order of importance: weaken, strengthen, inference, assumption); while those are among the most questions in LSAT LR as well, the LSAT has a plethora of other question types which you'll rarely if ever see on the GMAT.

Finally, the arguments themselves that appear on the LSAT often follow different patterns than those on the GMAT. You may very well master all of the arguments for LSAT LR and not be fully prepared for GMAT CR.

The only real advantage to studying LSAT materials is that, unlike the GMAC, LSAC releases almost every retired question (the LSAT is written 4 times a year; 3 of those tests get released to the public). As a result, there are almost 3000 retired LR questions available to those studying for the exam.

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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:48 pm

gmatmoni wrote:but OG series don't contain much 700-800 CR.....

to score high u need to practice more tough questions, but for my practice I am not getting good source which will have 700-800 questions along with explanation.

Can u recommend any such verbal material.

You can try Kaplan GMAT Advanced 2009-2010 Edition, although I haven't looked to see exactly how many CR questions are included in the book.

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by KapTeacherEli » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:02 pm

Also, our online quiz-banks contain about 500 verbal questions, sortable by content and difficulty.

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by gmatmoni » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:23 am

thanx Stuart
( I hope u will not mind calling u by first name)

How abt 1000CR questions which are floating on net....

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by vaibhav.iit2002 » Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:00 am

Experts,
Are 1000CR different from LSAT? I downloaded file named 1000CRs but it had LSAT problems.

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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:35 pm

gmatmoni wrote:thanx Stuart
( I hope u will not mind calling u by first name)

How abt 1000CR questions which are floating on net....

There have definitely been problems with that question set before (at least some of them that were posted on this site weren't very well written).

The vast majority of questions you can download for free fall into one of two categories:

1) hacked from a legitimate source (e.g. GMAC or a major prep test company) and posted illegally; or

2) created by someone just like you who wanted to help the community by making up some questions.

In the first case, the questions will be good practice, but have been illegally obtained. As a representative of the test prep company that sends more people to business school than any of our competitors (and spends a LOT of money on R&D to ensure that our questions are just like those on the real GMAT), you can guess what my stance is here.

In the second case, you're basically playing test-prep roulette: you may occasionally get lucky and get questions that are reasonable facsimiles of those on the GMAT, but most of the time you'll get poorly written questions that can actually hurt your practice rather than help it.

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by gmatmoni » Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:47 am

Ya true I agree with your points....

As a GMAT aspirant I feel ppl generally spend lots of time searching online free source.

I brought Kaplan new series ... to do my practice.

Any other book u can suggest for CR which hve explanation too.

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