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Is x^2+y^2>3z?

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by melguy » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:29 pm
Hello

The approach I took for this problem

Statement 1

There are 3 variables and 2 equations. Hence we should be able to find the value of x and y.

So it should be sufficient to answer the Q.

It does not matches with the OA. Please help me with the problem. Thanks
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by [email protected] » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:28 pm
Hi melguy,

I'm going to give you a hint, then have you try this question again.

First, this is a YES/NO question; it's asking if x^2 + y^2 > 3z? It doesn't tell you ANYTHING about the variables. Second, is it possible that some (or all) of these variables = 0?

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by melguy » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:33 am
[email protected] wrote: some (or all) of these variables = 0?
It made the problem so easy! I broke down all the equations, testing with under roots and everything to see where the value of x^2 and y^2 is hiding but that surely is not the best method in this problem.

Thanks a lot Rich!
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by [email protected] » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:47 pm
Hi melguy,

There are ultimately 2 measures of "success" when choosing to answer a GMAT question:

1) Did you get the question correct?
2) How long did it take to do so?

If counting on your fingers is the fastest way that you can come up with to answer a question, then count on your fingers! Most GMAT questions have several potential approaches to solving, so flexibility on your part is a must (especially if you want to develop strong pacing skills). With what you've just learned, was the question made faster and easier to solve? Then remember these ideas the next time you face a similar question.

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by faraz_jeddah » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:26 am
melguy wrote:Hello

Statement 1

There are 3 variables and 2 equations. Hence we should be able to find the value of x and y.

So it should be sufficient to answer the Q.
Just to add on a more general area - Ideally you need to have X number of distinct equations to solve for X variables.

Statement 1 is clearly not sufficient as it has only 2 variables.

I think you took the question stem as an equation. :(
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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:15 am
melguy wrote:
There are 3 variables and 2 equations. Hence we should be able to find the value of x and y.
I should point out that the question isn't asking us to find the individual values of x, y and z. So, the rule about needing K different equations to solve a system with K variables doesn't apply here. Also, the question features inequalities, which also negates the rule.

For example, let's leave the target question as is (Is x^2 + y^2 > 3z?)
If statement 2 were "z < 0," then we'd have sufficient information to answer the target question. Here's why:
If z < 0, then 3z is negative
x^2 + y^2 will always be greater than or equal to zero.
So, it must be true that x^2 + y^2 > 3z

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by Mission2012 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:49 am
Is OA A
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by faraz_jeddah » Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:36 am
Mission2012 wrote:Is OA A
OA should be C

Statement 1 cannot be sufficient.

Statement 1 is true when x = y = z = 0 which would not satisfy the question stem.
Statement 1 is true when x = 2 ; y = 0 and z = 1/9 which would satisfy the question stem.
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by Java_85 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:15 pm
IMO A is the answer,

(1) We can calculate xy=2z and x^2+y^2=5z ==> Z>0 ==> 5z>3z ==> A or D
(2) We can not say, because x^2+y^2 might be 0 and 0<0 is not valid! ==>A
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by melguy » Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:23 pm
Hi Java

The OA is C. Try and solve the problem with the hint Rich has provided. It makes the problem lot easier to solve.
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