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by bblast » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:58 pm
22. The telecom minister had been indicted by the Supreme court in the 2G spectrum
scam, which resulted in a loss of about $1.7 trillion to the exchequer.

A. had been indicted by the Supreme court in the 2G spectrum scam, which
resulted
B. has been indicted in the 2G spectrum scam by the Supreme court, which
resulted
C. has been indicted by the Supreme court in the 2G spectrum scam, which
resulted
D. is indicted by the Supreme court in the 2G spectrum scam that resulted
E. has been indicted by the Supreme court in the 2G spectrum scam, resulting


Kindly discuss the exact tense usage with ur answers.
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by MBACRACKER » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:05 pm
We need the present perfect tense here i.e has been indicted. That leaves us between B & C. C is more apt with "has been indicted by " & hence answer is C.
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by uwhusky » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:20 pm
MBACRACKER wrote:We need the present perfect tense here i.e has been indicted. That leaves us between B & C. C is more apt with "has been indicted by " & hence answer is C.
I strongly recommend you to dig deeper than saying that present perfect tense is needed.

I would ask the following questions:

-Why is the usage of past perfect incorrect in this sentence?
-Why is present perfect correct?
-What's the difference between indicted by and indicted in?
-What's the difference between preposition "by" and "in" in various context of these sentences?
-Why can't we use to be verb "is"?
-What's the difference between using that and which?
-What is resulted in a loss of about $1.7 trillion...?
-Why can't we use ",verb+ing" in E, how does that differ from C?

If you can correctly answer all of the questions above, you're on your way to become a better SC "tackler." <---can't think of a better noun =).
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by g.shankaran » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:24 am
bblast wrote:22. The telecom minister had been indicted by the Supreme court in the 2G spectrum
scam, which resulted in a loss of about $1.7 trillion to the exchequer.

A. had been indicted by the Supreme court in the 2G spectrum scam, which
resulted -- The verb sequence is wrong. loss happened at first
B. has been indicted in the 2G spectrum scam by the Supreme court, which
resulted - here which refers to supreme court .. it should point to 2g spectrum scam
C. has been indicted by the Supreme court in the 2G spectrum scam, which
resulted
D. is indicted by the Supreme court in the 2G spectrum scam that resulted -
E. has been indicted by the Supreme court in the 2G spectrum scam, resulting - This changes the meaning.. "the The action taken by supreme court has caused the loss" This is not the original meaning.

can't separate out c and d.. considering that the effect is still there I am going for option C. But still have question why is D wrong?
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by phanideepak » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:28 am
-Why is the usage of past perfect incorrect in this sentence?
Past perfect is used to describe the earlier of the two actions and here we are sure that the scam happened first and then he was indicted.
-Why is present perfect correct?
Present perfect is correct because he has been indicted in the past and since there is no specific time reference we can use present perfect.
-What's the difference between indicted by and indicted in?
Indicted by is correct as he was charged guilty by the supreme court. Indicted in is when we are talking about the incident where he was indicted.
-What's the difference between preposition "by" and "in" in various context of these sentences?
Hmm

-Why can't we use to be verb "is"?
Is is present tense and it doesn;t make sense if we use it together with indicted.
-What's the difference between using that and which?
which is non restrictive and can be used to refer to anything before it but that is a restrictive pronoun. But here ,which definitely refers to the scam
-What is resulted in a loss of about $1.7 trillion...?
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-Why can't we use ",verb+ing" in E, how does that differ from C?
-Verbing phrases are adverbial phrases and in this case it modifies the whole clause so it looks as if it is modifying the telecom minister so this is wrong


Please correct me if my explanations are wrong.
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by bblast » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:30 am
Thanks unwhusky, for the showing the correct approach on how to attack SC questions, especially on discussion forums.

Shankaran,
u are right on in POE of 3 options.

Regarding why D is wrong, even the Aristotle writer wrote- "USAGE of wrong tense". Most of Us can select C as is "Sounds" correct to the ear..

But IMO actually the difference lies in as below :

I have been convicted for murdering Osama.
I am convicted for murdering Osama.


Statement 1 above shows that I am still in prison so the action is ongoing. Similarly the act of Indictment(i don't know what this word means) is still on the telecom minister.

Hence C
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by bblast » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:44 am
phanideepak wrote:-Why is the usage of past perfect incorrect in this sentence?
Past perfect is used to describe the earlier of the two actions and here we are sure that the scam happened first and then he was indicted.
-Why is present perfect correct?
Present perfect is correct because he has been indicted in the past and since there is no specific time reference we can use present perfect.
-What's the difference between indicted by and indicted in?
Indicted by is correct as he was charged guilty by the supreme court. Indicted in is when we are talking about the incident where he was indicted.
-What's the difference between preposition "by" and "in" in various context of these sentences?
Hmm

-Why can't we use to be verb "is"?
Is is present tense and it doesn;t make sense if we use it together with indicted.
-What's the difference between using that and which?
which is non restrictive and can be used to refer to anything before it but that is a restrictive pronoun. But here ,which definitely refers to the scam
-What is resulted in a loss of about $1.7 trillion...?
-
-Why can't we use ",verb+ing" in E, how does that differ from C?
-Verbing phrases are adverbial phrases and in this case it modifies the whole clause so it looks as if it is modifying the telecom minister so this is wrong


Please correct me if my explanations are wrong.
Deepak, Looks like u are gonna break all SC's in the GMAT. Good understanding of the tenses man.
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by vikram4689 » Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:10 pm
Nice explanations by phanideepak, I concur on almost every point except:
-What's the difference between using that and which?
which is non restrictive and can be used to refer to anything before it but that is a restrictive pronoun. But here ,which definitely refers to the scam
Well this rule has been debatable and therefore Gmat never tests this
Verbing phrases are adverbial phrases and in this case it modifies the whole clause so it looks as if it is modifying the telecom minister so this is wrong
You mentioned correctly that whole clause is modified but "telecom minister" is not modified but the indiction of telecom minster by S.C. would be modified as if indiction resulted in loss and that is why the question "-What is resulted in a loss of about $1.7 trillion...? " was mentioned by uwhusky

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