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Register now and save up to $200 Available with Beat the GMAT members only code • 1 Hour Free BEAT THE GMAT EXCLUSIVE Available with Beat the GMAT members only code ## GMAT Verbal Online course This topic has 3 expert replies and 7 member replies paeiing Newbie | Next Rank: 10 Posts Joined 31 Oct 2015 Posted: 6 messages Followed by: 1 members #### GMAT Verbal Online course Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:39 am Dear All, I'm trying to find the best Verbal gmat online course out there. I have exhausted all e-gmat course and my score has not improve at all. I am non-native speaker, it is hard for me to approach all the question as e-gmat suggested. Mostly e-gmat approaches are to get the meaning for SC, pre-thinking in CR and RC however, it is quite hard to follow especially on CR, if I cannot understand the content then it's even harder to pre-think. I have tried free video on CR lesson by Empowergmat as well, the CR box is probably the same idea, it is to pre-think. I could not get the same pre-think as Max does. Thus, I cannot get the right answer. Does any course out there provide tactic to approach each type of CR and RC questions? Thank you very much Marty Murray Legendary Member Joined 03 Feb 2014 Posted: 2050 messages Followed by: 131 members Upvotes: 955 GMAT Score: 800 Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:21 pm Hi paeiing. To score high on GMAT verbal, you don't necessarily have to prethink, or to outline RC passages, or to know every grammar rule, but you do need to do one thing. You need to understand what is being said in the sentences, arguments and passages. So whatever you do going forward as you prepare, keep that one key thing in mind. _________________ Marty Murray GMAT Coach m.w.murray@hotmail.com https://infinitemindprep.com/ In Person in the New York Area and Online Worldwide paeiing Newbie | Next Rank: 10 Posts Joined 31 Oct 2015 Posted: 6 messages Followed by: 1 members Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:32 am Marty Murray wrote: Hi paeiing. To score high on GMAT verbal, you don't necessarily have to prethink, or to outline RC passages, or to know every grammar rule, but you do need to do one thing. You need to understand what is being said in the sentences, arguments and passages. So whatever you do going forward as you prepare, keep that one key thing in mind. Hello Marty, Thank you for your post. Do you have any suggestion on how could I improve my verbal? ### GMAT/MBA Expert DavidG@VeritasPrep Legendary Member Joined 14 Jan 2015 Posted: 2667 messages Followed by: 120 members Upvotes: 1153 GMAT Score: 770 Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:56 am paeiing wrote: Dear All, I'm trying to find the best Verbal gmat online course out there. I have exhausted all e-gmat course and my score has not improve at all. I am non-native speaker, it is hard for me to approach all the question as e-gmat suggested. Mostly e-gmat approaches are to get the meaning for SC, pre-thinking in CR and RC however, it is quite hard to follow especially on CR, if I cannot understand the content then it's even harder to pre-think. I have tried free video on CR lesson by Empowergmat as well, the CR box is probably the same idea, it is to pre-think. I could not get the same pre-think as Max does. Thus, I cannot get the right answer. Does any course out there provide tactic to approach each type of CR and RC questions? Thank you very much Every company will provide strategies for these question types. If you're interested, you can find ours in the lessons from our app: http://www.veritasprep.com/gmat-iphone-apps/ But the truth is, there's no getting around having to deal with the meaning of what you read. If this is an area of struggle for you, the best thing you can do is to consistently read challenging material for a few weeks: novels, The Wall Street Journal, etc. When we read intensively, our brains change quickly: http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/01/study-reading-a-novel-changes-your-brain/282952/ _________________ Veritas Prep | GMAT Instructor Veritas Prep Reviews Save$100 off any live Veritas Prep GMAT Course

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Hi paeiing,

From your post, it's unclear how long you've been studying and how much actual work you've put in.

1) How long have you been studying for the Verbal section?
2) How much time did you spend working with the various materials you named (for example, you say that you 'exhausted' all of the egmat materials and you tried a free EMPOWERgmat video lesson, but the time you spent doing each is unclear)?

3) What is your overall goal score?
4) How have you scored on each of your practice CATs (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores)?

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I have been working with e-gmat and I find it very easy to use and with great approach to the sevarl topics covered in the GMAT, I hope to achieve my goal, but for sure e-gmat is helping me to go through.

The amount of time depends on your background and of course ability to learn a nea language, in my case I have been dedicating about 3 hours per day to study Verbal, for about 3 months.

Best regards,

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Rich.C@EMPOWERgmat.com wrote:
Hi paeiing,

From your post, it's unclear how long you've been studying and how much actual work you've put in.

1) How long have you been studying for the Verbal section?
2) How much time did you spend working with the various materials you named (for example, you say that you 'exhausted' all of the egmat materials and you tried a free EMPOWERgmat video lesson, but the time you spent doing each is unclear)?

3) What is your overall goal score?
4) How have you scored on each of your practice CATs (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores)?

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich
Dear Rich,
1) How long have you been studying for the Verbal section?

I've been studying for 3 months- more than 5 hours per day.

2) How much time did you spend working with the various materials you named (for example, you say that you 'exhausted' all of the egmat materials and you tried a free EMPOWERgmat video lesson, but the time you spent doing each is unclear)?
I've paid for full e-gmat course for 6 months. I find that the tactic doesn't work for me. Especially, in CR and RC.
I mostly re-read the stimulus or the passage more than once, still get wrong answer.
I have finished all OG questions more than 3 times.

I have just tried free Empowergmat CR lesson. I found that CR box is quite hard for me to approach. I am not sure whether I get the content.
On the free lesson video, Max mentioned 1) write conclusion 2) write pre-think assumption
However, I could not get the right assumption

3) What is your overall goal score?

I want to get 700 +

4) How have you scored on each of your practice CATs (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores)?
I received 540 on latest GMAT exam
I have tried verista prep and also got only 590

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Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:11 am
Hi paeiing,

If you've taken just 2 CATs over 3 months of study, then that is not nearly enough. Taking FULL-LENGTH CATs (with the Essay and IR sections) is an essential part of the training process - you should plan to take a CAT every 1-2 weeks as a way to measure your progress.

The two CAT scores that you have are fairly close to one another, so your current ability 'level' is likely in the mid-500s to high-500s. To hit you goal score, you're likely going to have to make some big improvements to how you handle BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections. If you continue to approach questions "your way", then you will likely continue to score in the 500s. This means that you're going to have to learn "new" ways to approach GMAT questions - you're also going to have to practice properly (and you might even struggle at times). The GMAT is a predictable, standardized Test, so you CAN train to score at a high level; however, if you try a Tactic for a short period of time, then 'give up', then you're going to find it difficult to accomplish all of your goals.

1) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
2) When are you planning to apply to Business School?

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Rich.C@EMPOWERgmat.com wrote:
Hi paeiing,

If you've taken just 2 CATs over 3 months of study, then that is not nearly enough. Taking FULL-LENGTH CATs (with the Essay and IR sections) is an essential part of the training process - you should plan to take a CAT every 1-2 weeks as a way to measure your progress.

The two CAT scores that you have are fairly close to one another, so your current ability 'level' is likely in the mid-500s to high-500s. To hit you goal score, you're likely going to have to make some big improvements to how you handle BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections. If you continue to approach questions "your way", then you will likely continue to score in the 500s. This means that you're going to have to learn "new" ways to approach GMAT questions - you're also going to have to practice properly (and you might even struggle at times). The GMAT is a predictable, standardized Test, so you CAN train to score at a high level; however, if you try a Tactic for a short period of time, then 'give up', then you're going to find it difficult to accomplish all of your goals.

1) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
2) When are you planning to apply to Business School?

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich
Hi Rich,

Im promise myself not to give up on GMAT
that's why im now trying to find the course that's best fit fot me.

1) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
I am planing to take GMAT in two-month
2) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
I am planing to apply to mba program in september

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paeiing wrote:
Hello Marty,
Do you have any suggestion on how could I improve my verbal?
One thing that tends to help is doing verbal questions very slowly and carefully at first. You are better off spending fifteen minutes per question, and learning to get right answers, than you are spending a few minutes per question, getting many wrong, and not really developing the skills necessary for getting right answers.

Further, when you do verbal questions, while strategies can be useful, rather than focus on strategies, focus on seeing exactly what is going on in the questions and answer choices, seeking to understand why every wrong answer is wrong and every right answer is right. To a well written official question, and most of the official questions are well written, there is one clearly right answer, and there are clear reasons why that answer is the only right answer.

I am not talking about reading explanation after explanation either. Reading explanations will only get you so far. You need to learn to see for yourself the logic of the questions and answer choices.

To get more SC questions right, probably you need to get better at noticing the meanings conveyed by the sentences created by using the various choices.

To get more CR questions right, probably you need to get better at really understanding exactly what's going on in the arguments.

To get more RC questions right, probably you need to get better at noticing the difference between what you might think or get fooled into thinking is said in the passages and what is actually said in the passages.

To get some more ideas on how to get better at handling GMAT verbal you could follow the following links to some other posts.

http://www.beatthegmat.com/how-to-better-gmat-critical-reasoning-cr-skills-t288571.html#763603

http://www.beatthegmat.com/how-do-i-master-gmat-sentence-correction-t288121.html#762120

http://infinitemindprep.com/on-the-gmat-vision-and-logic-rule/

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Hello Paeiing,
I have worked mostly with ESL applicants over the past 16 years, and know that you can succeed with this section no matter what. I am vehemently opposed to focusing on understanding the meaning of choice A for SC. This is not necessary. Not really clear on what pre-thinking means here, however on CR, I think its important to know what you're being asked to do and paraphrase the question. That's all the pre-thinking my students do. Do contact me via my website, if you would like to discuss my course.
Farrell

paeiing wrote:
Dear All,

I'm trying to find the best Verbal gmat online course out there.
I have exhausted all e-gmat course and my score has not improve at all.
I am non-native speaker, it is hard for me to approach all the question as e-gmat suggested.
Mostly e-gmat approaches are to get the meaning for SC, pre-thinking in CR and RC
however, it is quite hard to follow especially on CR, if I cannot understand the content then it's even harder to pre-think.

I have tried free video on CR lesson by Empowergmat as well, the CR box is probably the same idea, it is to pre-think.
I could not get the same pre-think as Max does. Thus, I cannot get the right answer.

Does any course out there provide tactic to approach each type of CR and RC questions?

Thank you very much

_________________
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https://MBAPrepCoach.com
"You don't often come across people who are as perceptive and also genuinely empathetic." - EM. NYC

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