I'm finding it tough to solve data sufficiency questions involving number properties or inequalities in 2MINS. If I had all the time in the world, I know I will be able to solve them but obviously my approach to these questions is not the most appropriate since we are supposed to solve them in under 2 mins.
Any advice on how to solve these problems would be much appreciated. The only approach I'm able to think of is to actually try out different numbers. Here are a few examples:
Example 1-->
The numbers x and y are not integers. The value of x is closest to which integer?
(1) 4 is the integer that is closest to x+y
(2) 1 is the integer that is closest to x-y
Example 2-->
If d is a positive integer and f is the product of the first 30 positive integers, what is the value of d?
(1) 10^d is a factor of f
(2) d>6[
These are just examples of some of the questions I'm struggling with... I'm just hoping someone can advise me on how to tackle questions like this in under 2minutes.
Thanks very much!
Data Sufficiency - Num properties & inequalities
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Great question - the more-theoretical number properties items allow the GMAT to add quite a bit of difficulty, as does the Data Sufficiency format, so the combination can be tricky, and waste a lot of your time. A few thoughts on that:
-Plugging in numbers is a perfectly viable strategy, but as you mentioned, it can be inefficient if not done properly. Here's what I'd suggest for plugging in numbers (and for training yourself to not have to plug them in as often):
1) Your goal when plugging in numbers should always be to "prove insufficiency". That is, once you've gotten an answer of "yes" to the overall question, your only goal should be to get "no" with your next set of numbers.
2) Keep in mind that the GMAT loves to test the "fringes" of its parameters, so pick numbers that push the boundaries of what is possible in each case as you seek to prove that the statement is not sufficient.
3) As you're picking those numbers that push the boundaries in order to prove insufficiency, think about the types of numbers you're picking. Often if you're doing that, you'll see the 'catch' in the question.
Let's use your first example as our example:
The numbers x and y are not integers. The value of x is closest to which integer?
(1) 4 is the integer that is closest to x+y
(2) 1 is the integer that is closest to x-y
Neither statement one nor statement two is remotely sufficient, as the numbers could take on a huge range: -1,000,000.5 and 1,000,004.6, or 4.1 and 0.2 in the first case. So let's start by discussing the combination of statements 1 and 2.
Again, we want to pick numbers that test the boundaries. If x + y is closest to 4, then it gives us the range of 3.5000001 to 4.49999999, or essentially from 3.5 to 4.5. If x - y is closest to one, it gives us the range of 0.5000001 to 1.49999999.
If we pick the lower estimates for the two statements, we could have:
x + y = 3.500001
x - y = 0.500001
2x = 4.0000002
x = 2.0000001, so it's closest to 2.
Now, we want to find a different value for x so that it's closer to 3, or another integer. Well, using higher numbers should get us there:
x + y = 4.4999999
and if we want x to be as high as possible, we'd want y to be as small as possible, so the difference between the two would be largest, so we'll use the largest possible difference:
x - y = 1.4999999
2x = 5.999999999
x = 2.9999999 or closest to 3.
Therefore, the statements are insufficient.
Now, in doing the math, you'll notice I took some liberties with the decimals, because they didn't matter much - I didn't need to be precise, as long as I stayed within the constraints. Similarly, we probably didn't even need to do all of that math. Once we realized that the sum gave us a range of almost a full unit (3.5 to 4.5, exclusive) and the difference gave us the same range (0.5 to 1.5 exclusive), then we should have seen a path to get a range of x values that would cross over a .5 threshold to bump us from closer to the lower number to closer to the higher one. If we see that, we don't even do the math, and it's really the setup that lets us know that the correct answer is E.
What I like about the idea of "trying to prove insufficiency" is that it forces you to think about those limits that the GMAT often approaches with its ranges of potential values. As you're thinking about that, you can quite often see the rule and not have to finish the math; however, even if you do end up needing to do the math, you're at least being efficient, as you're trying to push the limits of those numbers to achieve an insufficient answer.
-Plugging in numbers is a perfectly viable strategy, but as you mentioned, it can be inefficient if not done properly. Here's what I'd suggest for plugging in numbers (and for training yourself to not have to plug them in as often):
1) Your goal when plugging in numbers should always be to "prove insufficiency". That is, once you've gotten an answer of "yes" to the overall question, your only goal should be to get "no" with your next set of numbers.
2) Keep in mind that the GMAT loves to test the "fringes" of its parameters, so pick numbers that push the boundaries of what is possible in each case as you seek to prove that the statement is not sufficient.
3) As you're picking those numbers that push the boundaries in order to prove insufficiency, think about the types of numbers you're picking. Often if you're doing that, you'll see the 'catch' in the question.
Let's use your first example as our example:
The numbers x and y are not integers. The value of x is closest to which integer?
(1) 4 is the integer that is closest to x+y
(2) 1 is the integer that is closest to x-y
Neither statement one nor statement two is remotely sufficient, as the numbers could take on a huge range: -1,000,000.5 and 1,000,004.6, or 4.1 and 0.2 in the first case. So let's start by discussing the combination of statements 1 and 2.
Again, we want to pick numbers that test the boundaries. If x + y is closest to 4, then it gives us the range of 3.5000001 to 4.49999999, or essentially from 3.5 to 4.5. If x - y is closest to one, it gives us the range of 0.5000001 to 1.49999999.
If we pick the lower estimates for the two statements, we could have:
x + y = 3.500001
x - y = 0.500001
2x = 4.0000002
x = 2.0000001, so it's closest to 2.
Now, we want to find a different value for x so that it's closer to 3, or another integer. Well, using higher numbers should get us there:
x + y = 4.4999999
and if we want x to be as high as possible, we'd want y to be as small as possible, so the difference between the two would be largest, so we'll use the largest possible difference:
x - y = 1.4999999
2x = 5.999999999
x = 2.9999999 or closest to 3.
Therefore, the statements are insufficient.
Now, in doing the math, you'll notice I took some liberties with the decimals, because they didn't matter much - I didn't need to be precise, as long as I stayed within the constraints. Similarly, we probably didn't even need to do all of that math. Once we realized that the sum gave us a range of almost a full unit (3.5 to 4.5, exclusive) and the difference gave us the same range (0.5 to 1.5 exclusive), then we should have seen a path to get a range of x values that would cross over a .5 threshold to bump us from closer to the lower number to closer to the higher one. If we see that, we don't even do the math, and it's really the setup that lets us know that the correct answer is E.
What I like about the idea of "trying to prove insufficiency" is that it forces you to think about those limits that the GMAT often approaches with its ranges of potential values. As you're thinking about that, you can quite often see the rule and not have to finish the math; however, even if you do end up needing to do the math, you're at least being efficient, as you're trying to push the limits of those numbers to achieve an insufficient answer.
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These questions look interesting to me as well.
Can you please tell me the source of these questions?
Also, is the answer for second question - C i.e. Both teh statements together are sufficient?
JS
Can you please tell me the source of these questions?
Also, is the answer for second question - C i.e. Both teh statements together are sufficient?
JS
Thanks a lot for that advice, Brian! I will try that approach next time.
JS ---> You are right. The answer to the second question I had posted is C. Both questions were from a GMATPrep practice test that I had done recently.
JS ---> You are right. The answer to the second question I had posted is C. Both questions were from a GMATPrep practice test that I had done recently.
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IMO Ceaakbari wrote:Could some1 explain the second question?
s2) alone is nothing
s1) in 30! we have 10,20 and 30 each being a factor of 30 so d can be 1,2,3
insuff
combined in 30! for each product of 5 and 2 we get a 10 so detreming how many 5 will solve
5,10,15,20,25,30 in 25 we have two 5's
so in total 7
since d>6 only one value satisfies