Hi everyone,I really need your advice on my Verbal score. I retook the GMAT yesterday got a disappointing 600(Q-46, V-27). I could only improve my score by 10 points and my verbal score dropped from 29 to 27,that was the most shocking development.
My mock test scores were --
MGMT mock#1--620 [Q-39, V-35]
MGMT #2------670 [Q-44, V-37]
MGMT #3------690 [q-49, v--38]
Gmat prep1---620 [q--44, v-32]
MGMT#4-------700 [q--43, V-41]
gmat prep2---690 [q-48, v-37] (one week before the test)
MGMT#5-------720 [Q -47, V--42] (four days before the test)
Can't understand the cause of the huge discrepancy between the mock scores and the actual exam. This time around I had solved the OG 12 ,timing each question and revised all the questions I got wrong, questions I had to guess and the questions I solved after the 2 minute time limit.
Resources used--
OG 12, OG 11( RC and SC sections ) , OG verbal and quant supplements, Manhattan Gmat- SC, Number properties and Equation guides, Powerscore CR Bible,and Kaplan 800.
How did I study:---
This time around I had solved the OG 12 ,timing each question and revised all the questions I got wrong, questions I had to guess and the questions I solved after the 2 minute time limit.
QUANT-- DS was a weakness so practiced more problems with different solution techniques-- algebra, plugging in numbers, back solving.
PS --had to work on few topics such as inequalities, exponent equations, absolute values, rates and combination/permutation, to get my score from 44 to 48.
VERBAL--RC was never an issue, except some difficult inference and application questions, so I reviewed them and analysed where I was going wrong. Also noticed that for me RC topics involving science/technology and business were easy to do (got 5/6 or 6/6 correct in the OG),but Topics related to literature and sociology were a bit difficult (got 5/7, 3-4/6 correct in the OG)
CR--followed the method mentioned in power score CR and commonsense.I was facing a problem with Evaluate the plan questions, bold faced and few difficult assumption questions. After revision was able to increase my performance--3 questions wrong out of 15 on my last gmat prep.
SC--was difficult earlier, but did OG again with emphasis on meaning, parallelism, s-v and modifiers, timing myself. Thursday's with Ron sessions were a great help for SC.Improved my accuracy from 50% (7-8 questions wrong out of 17 SC questions) to around 4 questions wrong out of 17 questions)
TIMING--this was another BIG issue as I didn't let go off questions ,bad guessing strategy that resulted in solving(last 7 questions in 5 mins)and hence my errors were highest towards the end of the sections. This was an area which I could improve, but not in totality (last 4 questions in 5 mins)
Test day:---
AWA was good, Quant was ok and I had expected something around 47-48 since I couldn't solve 2-3 tricky geometry and time-rate questions, so I knew that 49 wasn't happening (actually got 46).
Verbal went smoothly. CR--got the usual strengthen, weaken , paradox questions and couple of parallel reasoning and abstract reasoning questions. Didn't get any Boldfaced and speaker 1 vs speaker 2 questions, so that did concern me a little, but one cannot say for sure how the test is going. So didn't let that affect me. SC-- except 2 SC questions, I could spot the spilts and traps in rest of them , so thought I was doing fine. RC-got 4 passages on different topics as expected, nothing out of the blue.
The end result a pathetic 27. If I could gauge a bit that the test was going in a wrong direction I would have spent a little more time on questions or cancelled my score. But was really shocked with the 27.
Can't understand what I am doing wrong. In spite of making constant progress in Manhattan mocks and GMAT prep mocks (last GMAT prep2 score was 690 --48q, 37v) how the actual score can be so low (around 100 point difference). Moreover, I don't know what section in verbal was wrong. My guesstimate is that for scoring a V-27 in gmatprep software one usually gets around 20-21 questions wrong. But is it-- SC, CR or RC where am I making mistakes I can't understand. How reliable are the Gmatprep and Manhattan mocks as indicators of improvement?
Any advice would really be appreciated. If I plan to retake I should know what am I doing wrong so that I can work on that weakness. I did take the necessary study breaks for 1-2 days/week as suggested by Ron, so I don't think I am over doing it. Please Help!
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I would say you experienced test jitters, and not to think too deeply into it. It happens to people ALL THE TIME, including myself. You seem to be quite diligent about your preparation. I'd suggest keeping an error log of questions you got wrong, figuring out how to do them. Try them again the next day, and then again a week after, to make sure it's sunken in. Book your gmat for the next month or so and give it another shot. My score went up 100 points. Try and relax, that helped me a lot. Remember, it's only a test and one that you can do multiple times! Good luck!
Thanks for the encouraging words and advice. I did practice in a more diligent manner this time (at least that is what I think), but may be I over estimated the mock scores. I did maintain the error log and will continue doing that , but will go back & review it more often as you suggested.I am definitely looking to take the test in another 5-6 weeks. Will try n go easy on myself this time round. Kudos for your 100 point improvement. 740 is a great score, all the best for rest of your applicationmaroli wrote:I would say you experienced test jitters, and not to think too deeply into it. It happens to people ALL THE TIME, including myself. You seem to be quite diligent about your preparation. I'd suggest keeping an error log of questions you got wrong, figuring out how to do them. Try them again the next day, and then again a week after, to make sure it's sunken in. Book your gmat for the next month or so and give it another shot. My score went up 100 points. Try and relax, that helped me a lot. Remember, it's only a test and one that you can do multiple times! Good luck!
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to the original poster:
most of what I have to say is contained in the following post --
https://www.beatthegmat.com/stuck-at-quo ... tml#413529
you've also mentioned a staggering number of resources, leading me to the conclusion that you may be studying too much and/or studying in a way that is ineffective. in particular, it's very likely that books such as powerscore are just going to get in your way. see here:
https://www.beatthegmat.com/can-we-attac ... tml#416802
in general, you should try to stick to official problems for verbal, since almost all other verbal resources are just terrible.
here are some more things you can try to do:
* on strengthening/weakening problems (which make up about half of the critical reasoning section), try to create at least one NEW correct answer and one NEW incorrect answer. by "new" here, i mean an answer that doesn't function in fundamentally the same way as the original. this should always be possible, since real-life arguments can be strengthened or weakened in zillions of different ways.
for instance, on critical reasoning problem 65 in the official guide (kourion), one new correct answer could be No modern history of Cyprus mentions any earthquake other than the one that hit in AD 365. this statement strengthens the argument in a fundamentally different way: it rules out the occurrence of other earthquakes, rather than strengthening the connection between the given evidence and the particular earthquake in AD 365.
-- if you can't do this, then you are thinking too formally; after all, it's a natural human tendency to find tons of different ways to strengthen or weaken a position. for instance, even a small child can find a large number of ways to weaken a claim such as "you stole that cookie, didn't you!" clearly, the child will not need the powerscore handbook to come up with counterarguments.
* if you really understand the different problem types on reading comprehension, try to apply them to your own reading (in magazines, etc.)
for instance, if you are reading something and you encounter the following sentence -- In 1952, the agency began to keep records for individual members -- then you can stop and say "hey, one possible inference is Before 1952, the agency only kept records for groups of people."
-- if you can't do this, then you don't have a sufficient understanding of the different RC question types. if that's the case, don't do any more RC problems until you actually understand how the question types work! (a surprisingly huge number of students have been studying for months and months and still don't understand the fundamentals of how the problems work. for instance, if queried, many such students will be unable to point out that, e.g., inference questions require a statement that must be true.)
to the original poster:
most of what I have to say is contained in the following post --
https://www.beatthegmat.com/stuck-at-quo ... tml#413529
you've also mentioned a staggering number of resources, leading me to the conclusion that you may be studying too much and/or studying in a way that is ineffective. in particular, it's very likely that books such as powerscore are just going to get in your way. see here:
https://www.beatthegmat.com/can-we-attac ... tml#416802
in general, you should try to stick to official problems for verbal, since almost all other verbal resources are just terrible.
here are some more things you can try to do:
* on strengthening/weakening problems (which make up about half of the critical reasoning section), try to create at least one NEW correct answer and one NEW incorrect answer. by "new" here, i mean an answer that doesn't function in fundamentally the same way as the original. this should always be possible, since real-life arguments can be strengthened or weakened in zillions of different ways.
for instance, on critical reasoning problem 65 in the official guide (kourion), one new correct answer could be No modern history of Cyprus mentions any earthquake other than the one that hit in AD 365. this statement strengthens the argument in a fundamentally different way: it rules out the occurrence of other earthquakes, rather than strengthening the connection between the given evidence and the particular earthquake in AD 365.
-- if you can't do this, then you are thinking too formally; after all, it's a natural human tendency to find tons of different ways to strengthen or weaken a position. for instance, even a small child can find a large number of ways to weaken a claim such as "you stole that cookie, didn't you!" clearly, the child will not need the powerscore handbook to come up with counterarguments.
* if you really understand the different problem types on reading comprehension, try to apply them to your own reading (in magazines, etc.)
for instance, if you are reading something and you encounter the following sentence -- In 1952, the agency began to keep records for individual members -- then you can stop and say "hey, one possible inference is Before 1952, the agency only kept records for groups of people."
-- if you can't do this, then you don't have a sufficient understanding of the different RC question types. if that's the case, don't do any more RC problems until you actually understand how the question types work! (a surprisingly huge number of students have been studying for months and months and still don't understand the fundamentals of how the problems work. for instance, if queried, many such students will be unable to point out that, e.g., inference questions require a statement that must be true.)
Ron has been teaching various standardized tests for 20 years.
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Thanks Ron for your detailed reply.
*I can comprehend the RC passages and apply similar reasoning to real life reading resources(newspaper columns,magazines,etc). The only problem that I face during the test in RC is when the last RC appears (usually around question #34-35 and I have 10 mins left for 8 questions)then my comprehension is severely affected, due to time crunch. My general timing for RC passages with 4 questions is 6 to 7 mins (3 mins for reading and 3/4 mins for questions)
But on the CR questions I tend to clock around 2.25-2.5 mins ditto SC.These make my verbal timing go haywire.
* I have also noticed while reviewing my mocks that I miss around 38-40% of my verbal questions and 25% of these questions are between question number #32-#41 (last 10/11 questions).
* I referred back to the CR example you mentioned in your post , I could apply that logic while solving the question.I agree memorizing many rules does tend to slow you down instead of helping you,henceforth I will use them just as guide posts.My accuracy is low in parallel reasoning, bold faced arguments and evaluate CR questions.How can I improve these?
I will stick to the official resources as you suggested. But for RC I have already done the passages from OG 12, 11 and the Verbal supplement and reviewed them.Hence, I would need a new resource.Would you suggest any other resource for RC practice?
*I can comprehend the RC passages and apply similar reasoning to real life reading resources(newspaper columns,magazines,etc). The only problem that I face during the test in RC is when the last RC appears (usually around question #34-35 and I have 10 mins left for 8 questions)then my comprehension is severely affected, due to time crunch. My general timing for RC passages with 4 questions is 6 to 7 mins (3 mins for reading and 3/4 mins for questions)
But on the CR questions I tend to clock around 2.25-2.5 mins ditto SC.These make my verbal timing go haywire.
* I have also noticed while reviewing my mocks that I miss around 38-40% of my verbal questions and 25% of these questions are between question number #32-#41 (last 10/11 questions).
* I referred back to the CR example you mentioned in your post , I could apply that logic while solving the question.I agree memorizing many rules does tend to slow you down instead of helping you,henceforth I will use them just as guide posts.My accuracy is low in parallel reasoning, bold faced arguments and evaluate CR questions.How can I improve these?
I will stick to the official resources as you suggested. But for RC I have already done the passages from OG 12, 11 and the Verbal supplement and reviewed them.Hence, I would need a new resource.Would you suggest any other resource for RC practice?
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My verbal score is not that great. But I have some suggestions for you.
1. Understand how arguments work: So, you should be able to identify what is the role of a each statement in the argument. Some complex arguments have counter evidence too. I guess power score first one or two chapters allotted to this.
2. Also E-GMAT has free lesson on CR: I found it good. In fact I read in one of the post who scored 770(I guess) he constantly refereed that video. Note that (I am not endorsing e-gmat- I am just talking about the free video).
3. The best way to tackle Bold face questions to identify the role of the bold face statement immediately after reading the statement. If you try to read the whole argument and then decide you will get lost. But again,you need to be good at point (1) I mentioned.
4. Have you used Grockit? Most of the features are free. Do few questions and see the solution videos. See how the instructors thinking when solving the problems. You will understand what is important and what is not important in both CR and SC. This will tremendously improve timing.
5. For strengthening and weakening problems its useful to personalize. Over a period you will identify right away with out doing that.
6. By the way don't try to gauge how you are performing in the Exam, I got two bold face questions, but in the end I got only 33.
7. Another thing I observed with CR most of the questions are testing persons ability to identify what other factors effect the scenario/situation at hand. Be it be weaken problem, paradox problem or strengthen problem. Which I think GMAT guys think essential skill for managers/leaders. So think in those line, don't try to read as CR problem, think of it as a real world problem.
8. For strengthening and weakening problems always stay close to the conclusion, there may be other answers appear to be correct, but the correct answer is always one deals with conclusion.
1. Understand how arguments work: So, you should be able to identify what is the role of a each statement in the argument. Some complex arguments have counter evidence too. I guess power score first one or two chapters allotted to this.
2. Also E-GMAT has free lesson on CR: I found it good. In fact I read in one of the post who scored 770(I guess) he constantly refereed that video. Note that (I am not endorsing e-gmat- I am just talking about the free video).
3. The best way to tackle Bold face questions to identify the role of the bold face statement immediately after reading the statement. If you try to read the whole argument and then decide you will get lost. But again,you need to be good at point (1) I mentioned.
4. Have you used Grockit? Most of the features are free. Do few questions and see the solution videos. See how the instructors thinking when solving the problems. You will understand what is important and what is not important in both CR and SC. This will tremendously improve timing.
5. For strengthening and weakening problems its useful to personalize. Over a period you will identify right away with out doing that.
6. By the way don't try to gauge how you are performing in the Exam, I got two bold face questions, but in the end I got only 33.
7. Another thing I observed with CR most of the questions are testing persons ability to identify what other factors effect the scenario/situation at hand. Be it be weaken problem, paradox problem or strengthen problem. Which I think GMAT guys think essential skill for managers/leaders. So think in those line, don't try to read as CR problem, think of it as a real world problem.
8. For strengthening and weakening problems always stay close to the conclusion, there may be other answers appear to be correct, but the correct answer is always one deals with conclusion.
GmatVerbal wrote:My verbal score is not that great. But I have some suggestions for you.
1. Understand how arguments work: So, you should be able to identify what is the role of a each statement in the argument. Some complex arguments have counter evidence too. I guess power score first one or two chapters allotted to this.
2. Also E-GMAT has free lesson on CR: I found it good. In fact I read in one of the post who scored 770(I guess) he constantly refereed that video. Note that (I am not endorsing e-gmat- I am just talking about the free video).
7. Another thing I observed with CR most of the questions are testing persons ability to identify what other factors effect the scenario/situation at hand. Be it be weaken problem, paradox problem or strengthen problem. Which I think GMAT guys think essential skill for managers/leaders. So think in those line, don't try to read as CR problem, think of it as a real world problem.
Thanks for the input, I will check out the CR video you mentioned. I agree with you that most of the strengthening/weakening/paradox questions have answers involving outside scenario's as these questions need to have outside information to attack/defend the argument unlike must be true[inference] and main point(conclusion) questions.
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A couple of points:
1) if you did get the 'jitters' you might want to address that. You can listen to a free sample of our relaxation/focus protocol (about a half hour) for many, this does the trick on getting people into the zone. Don't make the mistake that you felt this way once and you might not again. The human mind doesn't work that way. If you've felt this way once, its actually LIKELY that unless you do something to modify your behavior or reaction, that you'll likely feel this way again-and maybe worse. Go here for some relaxation: https://www.testprepny.com/pages/products_gmat.htm
2) While there are several ways to learn, in a group, alone or with a tutor, identify which way is YOUR best way of study. Not sure of your time line, but take this quiz to find out: https://www.testprepny.com/pages/test_gmat.htm
It sounds like you need a kind of 'finishing school when it comes to the test-it's not enough to just use the materials-you need to study smarter, not harder. Find out if you need to work on great questions (yes, OG), or strategy - - identify your strengths and weaknesses. Find the places where things are falling through the cracks.
If it's speed, and you're in NY or SF, take a MindFlow class with us: it's the only time management (and improvement) program available.
You've received alot of great advice here - -now just put it to good use!
Good Luck!
1) if you did get the 'jitters' you might want to address that. You can listen to a free sample of our relaxation/focus protocol (about a half hour) for many, this does the trick on getting people into the zone. Don't make the mistake that you felt this way once and you might not again. The human mind doesn't work that way. If you've felt this way once, its actually LIKELY that unless you do something to modify your behavior or reaction, that you'll likely feel this way again-and maybe worse. Go here for some relaxation: https://www.testprepny.com/pages/products_gmat.htm
2) While there are several ways to learn, in a group, alone or with a tutor, identify which way is YOUR best way of study. Not sure of your time line, but take this quiz to find out: https://www.testprepny.com/pages/test_gmat.htm
It sounds like you need a kind of 'finishing school when it comes to the test-it's not enough to just use the materials-you need to study smarter, not harder. Find out if you need to work on great questions (yes, OG), or strategy - - identify your strengths and weaknesses. Find the places where things are falling through the cracks.
If it's speed, and you're in NY or SF, take a MindFlow class with us: it's the only time management (and improvement) program available.
You've received alot of great advice here - -now just put it to good use!
Good Luck!
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A couple of points:
1) if you did get the 'jitters' you might want to address that. You can listen to a free sample of our relaxation/focus protocol (about a half hour) for many, this does the trick on getting people into the zone. Don't make the mistake that you felt this way once and you might not again. The human mind doesn't work that way. If you've felt this way once, its actually LIKELY that unless you do something to modify your behavior or reaction, that you'll likely feel this way again-and maybe worse. Go here for some relaxation: https://www.testprepny.com/pages/products_gmat.htm
2) While there are several ways to learn, in a group, alone or with a tutor, identify which way is YOUR best way of study. Not sure of your time line, but take this quiz to find out: https://www.testprepny.com/pages/test_gmat.htm
It sounds like you need a kind of 'finishing school when it comes to the test-it's not enough to just use the materials-you need to study smarter, not harder. Find out if you need to work on great questions (yes, OG), or strategy - - identify your strengths and weaknesses. Find the places where things are falling through the cracks.
If it's speed, and you're in NY or SF, take a MindFlow class with us: it's the only time management (and improvement) program available.
You've received alot of great advice here - -now just put it to good use!
Good Luck!
1) if you did get the 'jitters' you might want to address that. You can listen to a free sample of our relaxation/focus protocol (about a half hour) for many, this does the trick on getting people into the zone. Don't make the mistake that you felt this way once and you might not again. The human mind doesn't work that way. If you've felt this way once, its actually LIKELY that unless you do something to modify your behavior or reaction, that you'll likely feel this way again-and maybe worse. Go here for some relaxation: https://www.testprepny.com/pages/products_gmat.htm
2) While there are several ways to learn, in a group, alone or with a tutor, identify which way is YOUR best way of study. Not sure of your time line, but take this quiz to find out: https://www.testprepny.com/pages/test_gmat.htm
It sounds like you need a kind of 'finishing school when it comes to the test-it's not enough to just use the materials-you need to study smarter, not harder. Find out if you need to work on great questions (yes, OG), or strategy - - identify your strengths and weaknesses. Find the places where things are falling through the cracks.
If it's speed, and you're in NY or SF, take a MindFlow class with us: it's the only time management (and improvement) program available.
You've received alot of great advice here - -now just put it to good use!
Good Luck!
Bara Sapir, MA, CHt, CNLP
Founder/CEO City Test Prep
Maximize your Score, Minimize your Stress!
GMAT Badass and Test Anxiety Relief Expert
SPEEDREADING: https://citytestprep.com/mindflow-workshops/
ANXIETY RELIEF: https://citytestprep.com/mindfulness-therapy/
BOOK: https://tinyurl.com/TPNYSC
TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McA4aqCNS-c
Founder/CEO City Test Prep
Maximize your Score, Minimize your Stress!
GMAT Badass and Test Anxiety Relief Expert
SPEEDREADING: https://citytestprep.com/mindflow-workshops/
ANXIETY RELIEF: https://citytestprep.com/mindfulness-therapy/
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Hi theclimb,
There are various ways you can use to practise for your GMAT. You might need to change your
practise style and try this combination to provide you flexibility and different styles to practise so it doesn't get monotonous.
It could be combination of-
1-Books- Books like- The Official Guide for GMAT Review, The Official Guide for GMAT Verbal
Review, The Official Guide for GMAT Quantitative Review etc could be used.
2-Online Study Guide: Websites like Knewton, Grockit etc provide you with practise questions
online.
3-Smart phone applications- Kaplan, Veritas etc offer applications to prepare for GMAT on your
smart phones
There are various ways you can use to practise for your GMAT. You might need to change your
practise style and try this combination to provide you flexibility and different styles to practise so it doesn't get monotonous.
It could be combination of-
1-Books- Books like- The Official Guide for GMAT Review, The Official Guide for GMAT Verbal
Review, The Official Guide for GMAT Quantitative Review etc could be used.
2-Online Study Guide: Websites like Knewton, Grockit etc provide you with practise questions
online.
3-Smart phone applications- Kaplan, Veritas etc offer applications to prepare for GMAT on your
smart phones
