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by samarpan_bschool » Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:58 pm
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samarpan_bschool wrote: I disagree - OA cannot be B - I then browsed through a couple of forums and confirmed that OA - A

https://www.beatthegmat.com/modifier-mis ... 12037.html
https://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentenc ... ter-2.html
It cannot be A. The sentence starts with a clause i.e. subordinate clause. A subordinate clause-also called a dependent clause-will begin with a subordinate conjunction or a relative pronoun and will contain both a subject and a verb.

A - Does not begin either with a subordinate conjunction or with a a relative pronoun
Does not have a VERB., RUN ON
C - Wrong ( Preposition + Noun + VERBing construction ) "...of his campaigning.."
D - Run on, same as A, being usage
IMO : B
Hi Suman,
Option A is not a run-on sentence. I think it is an appositive. The key thing is that this 'phrase' does not have a 'verb', thus making it a modifier.

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by deepakdewani » Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:45 am

Hi Suman,
Option A is not a run-on sentence. I think it is an appositive. The key thing is that this 'phrase' does not have a 'verb', thus making it a modifier.
Yes, I tend to agree with this. The only thing that I would have liked to see for this to be a perfect appositive is a "with" at the beginning of the sentence. But that's my opinion, and I request the experts to comment whether a "with" is not required for the statement to be complete.
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by paes » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:45 am
Can somebody explain why C is wrong ?

Is there any particular rule which is making C wrong.

Most of the post are saying that C is incorrect because of

"success of his campaigning"

what's wrong with this ?
Please explain.

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by gmat1011 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:47 am
looks like A

B adds new meaning: "Since his campaign for sanitary conditions in operating rooms had been eventually successful" --- suggests he lent his name because the campaign was successful; may not have been the case

A just says it was successful and he lent his name... we don't know why he lent his name...

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by GMATGuruNY » Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:08 am
His campaign for sanitary conditions in operating rooms finally successful, Sir Joseph Lister lent his name to the company that developed Listerine, the first antibacterial liquid.

A) His campaign for sanitary conditions in operating rooms finally successful

B) Since his campaign for sanitary conditions in operating rooms had been eventually successful

C) Because of the eventual success of his campaigning for sanitary conditions in operating rooms

D) His campaign for sanitary conditions in operating rooms being eventually successful

E) Campaigning, eventually successfully, for conditions to be sanitary in operating rooms
There is no causal relationship being expressed in the original sentence. Sir Joseph did not lend his name because of the success of the campaign. Eliminate B and C because each expresses a causal relationship that changes the intended meaning of the sentence.

In E, campaigning implies -- incorrectly -- that Sir Lester lent his name AS he was campaigning. Sir Lester lent his name AFTER the campaign. Eliminate E.

Between A and D, D is longer and uses being incorrectly and unnecessarily. Eliminate D.

The correct answer is A.
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by paes » Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:04 am
Thanks Guru.

B, C, D and E can be eliminated as you explained.

For A, Please explain the following doubt, asked by many other posts also :


"His campaign for sanitary conditions in operating rooms finally successful" ---> This is a modifier or appositive or something else for the remaining sentence. Somehow the sentence(A) structure is looking somewhat bizarre.

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by clock60 » Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:23 am
hi paes
it modifier but not too common
it is absolute phrase
from MSC fourth edition

a few GMAT setences use a sophisticated modifier called Absolute Phrase, they are composed of a noun plus noun modifier
these phrases do not have to modify what they are touch rather they modify the main clause in some way
with other things being equal, the demand defines supply.

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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:00 am
clock60 wrote:hi paes
it modifier but not too common
it is absolute phrase
from MSC fourth edition

a few GMAT setences use a sophisticated modifier called Absolute Phrase, they are composed of a noun plus noun modifier
Quite right!

Aspects of an absolute phrase:

-- typically composed of a noun + noun modifier, perhaps with a few other words
-- often includes a participle
-- does not include a main verb
-- does not include a conjunction (such as and)
-- connected to the rest of the sentence by a comma or dashes
-- supplies context for the rest of the sentence

Examples:

His work done, John hopped into his car and drove home. (The absolute phrase his work done modifies not only John but also hopped, telling us in what context John hopped into his car.)

Mary ran quickly, her face beaming.
(The absolute phrase her face beaming modifies not only Mary but also ran, telling us in what context Mary ran.)

Hope this helps!
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by paes » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:10 am
Thanks Guru and Clock60.

Fantastic explanation Guru.

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by ansumania » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:39 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:
clock60 wrote:hi paes
it modifier but not too common
it is absolute phrase
from MSC fourth edition

a few GMAT setences use a sophisticated modifier called Absolute Phrase, they are composed of a noun plus noun modifier
Quite right!

Aspects of an absolute phrase:

-- typically composed of a noun + noun modifier, perhaps with a few other words
-- often includes a participle
-- does not include a main verb
-- does not include a conjunction (such as and)
-- connected to the rest of the sentence by a comma or dashes
-- supplies context for the rest of the sentence

Examples:

His work done, John hopped into his car and drove home. (The absolute phrase his work done modifies not only John but also hopped, telling us in what context John hopped into his car.)

Mary ran down the street, the sun shining brightly in her eyes.
(The absolute phrase the sun shining brightly in her eyes modifies not only Mary but also ran, telling us in what context Mary ran down the street.)

Hope this helps!
hi,

just to clarify; You mentioned that the absolute phrase usually contains a participle.

The actual example here doesn't contain one though.....right, pl. suggest

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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:50 am
ansumania wrote:
GMATGuruNY wrote:
clock60 wrote:hi paes
it modifier but not too common
it is absolute phrase
from MSC fourth edition

a few GMAT setences use a sophisticated modifier called Absolute Phrase, they are composed of a noun plus noun modifier
Quite right!

Aspects of an absolute phrase:

-- typically composed of a noun + noun modifier, perhaps with a few other words
-- often includes a participle
-- does not include a main verb
-- does not include a conjunction (such as and)
-- connected to the rest of the sentence by a comma or dashes
-- supplies context for the rest of the sentence

Examples:

His work done, John hopped into his car and drove home. (The absolute phrase his work done modifies not only John but also hopped, telling us in what context John hopped into his car.)

Mary ran down the street, the sun shining brightly in her eyes.
(The absolute phrase the sun shining brightly in her eyes modifies not only Mary but also ran, telling us in what context Mary ran down the street.)

Hope this helps!
hi,

just to clarify; You mentioned that the absolute phrase usually contains a participle.

The actual example here doesn't contain one though.....right, pl. suggest
Correct. An absolute phrase often contains a participle, but not always:

Her eyes wide with excitement, Mary boarded the plane that would take her to Paris.


In the sentence above, the absolute phrase her eyes wide with excitement does not contain a participle.

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by RBBmba@2014 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:58 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:
His campaign for sanitary conditions in operating rooms finally successful, Sir Joseph Lister lent his name to the company that developed Listerine, the first antibacterial liquid.

A) His campaign for sanitary conditions in operating rooms finally successful

B) Since his campaign for sanitary conditions in operating rooms had been eventually successful

C) Because of the eventual success of his campaigning for sanitary conditions in operating rooms

D) His campaign for sanitary conditions in operating rooms being eventually successful

E) Campaigning, eventually successfully, for conditions to be sanitary in operating rooms
There is no causal relationship being expressed in the original sentence. Sir Joseph did not lend his name because of the success of the campaign. Eliminate B and C because each expresses a causal relationship that changes the intended meaning of the sentence.
Hi GMATGuruNY- can you please clarify that how EXACTLY we're interpreting that the author doesn't want to convey ANY Causal relationship - is it ONLY because there is NO such Causal relationship present in the original SC ?
GMATGuruNY wrote:In E, campaigning implies -- incorrectly -- that Sir Lester lent his name AS he was campaigning. Sir Lester lent his name AFTER the campaign. Eliminate E.
Apart from the reason your mentioned here, isn't option E having an awkward construction - Campaigning,eventually successfully, for conditions to be sanitary in operating rooms ?
GMATGuruNY wrote:Between A and D, D is longer and uses being incorrectly and unnecessarily. Eliminate D.

The correct answer is A.
Option A: His campaign for sanitary conditions in operating rooms finally successful

and the other SC : Her eyes wide with excitement, Mary boarded the plane that would take her to Paris

-- could you please clarify that what sort of noun + noun modifier the above TWO Absolute phrases consist of ?

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by RBBmba@2014 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:51 am
Hi Mitch - could you please clarify the above concerns.

Much appreciate your feedback.Thank you!

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by GMATGuruNY » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:21 am
RBBmba@2014 wrote:
There is no causal relationship being expressed in the original sentence. Sir Joseph did not lend his name because of the success of the campaign. Eliminate B and C because each expresses a causal relationship that changes the intended meaning of the sentence.
Hi GMATGuruNY- can you please clarify that how EXACTLY we're interpreting that the author doesn't want to convey ANY Causal relationship - is it ONLY because there is NO such Causal relationship present in the original SC ?
Yes.
If the original sentence conveys a sensical meaning, we should strive to retain this meaning.
GMATGuruNY wrote:In E, campaigning implies -- incorrectly -- that Sir Lester lent his name AS he was campaigning. Sir Lester lent his name AFTER the campaign. Eliminate E.
Apart from the reason your mentioned here, isn't option E having an awkward construction - Campaigning,eventually successfully, for conditions to be sanitary in operating rooms ?
Yes, the construction in E is awkward.
Option A: His campaign for sanitary conditions in operating rooms finally successful

and the other SC : Her eyes wide with excitement, Mary boarded the plane that would take her to Paris

-- could you please clarify that what sort of noun + noun modifier the above TWO Absolute phrases consist of ?
Option A: His campaign for sanitary conditions in operating rooms finally successful
his campaign = possessive + noun

for sanitary conditions in operating rooms = adjective describing his campaign
What KIND of campaign?
A campaign FOR SANITARY CONDITIONS IN OPERATING ROOMS.

finally successful = adjective describing his campaign
What KIND of campaign?
His FINALLY SUCCESSFUL campaign.

Other SC: Her eyes wide with excitement
her eyes = possessive + noun

wide = adjective describing her eyes
What KIND of eyes?
Her WIDE eyes.

with excitement = adverb serving to modify wide
HOW were her eyes wide?
They were wide WITH EXCITEMENT.
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by RBBmba@2014 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:22 am
@ GMATGuruNY - could you please shed more light that on GMAT, HOW MANY and WHAT ARE the noun + noun modifiers an Absolute phrase can consist of ?

Also, in GMAT is there any other way in which noun + noun modifiers can be used OR is Absolute phrase the ONLY way we can see them in GMAT ?