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beatthegmat · Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:13 pm

I've removed the 1000 CR and 3000 RC documents from this website. These materials are untrustworthy.

Stacey Koprince · Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:58 pm

Hey, guys

I know a lot of people on my company's forums are freaking out about the scoretop thing. Just wanted to point everyone to this article from BusinessWeek, discussing who does not have to worry (and who does) re: having scores cancelled.

http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/jun2008/bs20080627_391632.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_news+%2B+analysis

In a nutshell, if you really didn't know what was going on, you should be fine, because you won't have any posts discussing the fact that you knew something was a live question, or written off of a live question, or whatever. (You couldn't have posted that if you really didn't know what was happening!)

Those who did know what was going on and discussed it should worry. (Of course, those who did knowingly cheat deserve to get caught.)

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nick_mask · Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:55 am

thanks stacey. but the problem with tracking anything on the internet is that it is really really hard to prove anything. it may finally boil down to several lawsuits between candidates and GMAC - in an year in which you are applying to B-schools, you really do not want to bother about anything.

It is also not clear how the GMAC may react later - will it try to access, say beatthegmat forum, and try to swoop in on people who downloaded 1000RC/CR/SC which were hosted previously here? The article correctly mentions - "And in the 2008 GMAT Bulletin, GMAC reserves the right to cancel scores for any misconduct, including mere access to test content prior to the test, "even if a specific examinee's actual access to disclosed test content cannot be confirmed by GMAC." "

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aim-wsc · Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:04 am

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gabriel · Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:09 am

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aim-wsc · Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:01 am

ha ha, dont worry nick-mask, Smile

It's safe at beatthegmat

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beatthegmat · Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:32 am

Beat The GMAT has been in communication with GMAC and GMAC's attorneys over the past year to ensure that this community is compliant.

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Stacey Koprince · Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:36 am

"And in the 2008 GMAT Bulletin, GMAC reserves the right to cancel scores for any misconduct, including mere access to test content prior to the test, "even if a specific examinee's actual access to disclosed test content cannot be confirmed by GMAC." "

Yes - but if they do that without very good reason, they will have lawsuits on their hands, and they don't want that.

Also, I know we joke about them here, but they're not actually evil. They don't want to mess up people's lives just because. They'll be tough if they really do think they can legally prove you cheated (and if they can actually prove that someone cheated, then I don't think anyone would argue that they shouldn't be tough!). But if they don't know for sure, they're not going to just start accusing people.

They are being a little bit "scare-mongering" right now, I admit - I think because they want to scare people into not doing anything remotely illegally for a long, long time.

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beatthegmat · Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:42 am

I agree with Stacey, my interactions with GMAC have been very positive to date. They will not chase down people indiscriminately just to screw them over.

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m789ax · Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:11 pm

does any know when this 'live' discussion of questions happened? I was a VIP member last year. I found the ST forums very helpful to analyze my mistakes in various tests, but not so much the VIP question banks. The VIP math questions were decent, but the verbal questions were not so good - some even had typos in them. Does anyone know if those VIP question banks had 'live' questions mixed into them?

Also, GMAC claims that ST advertised real questions. I didnt use the website that much - but I dont remember ST advertising real GMAT questions...

thanks