a long one and tricky one

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a long one and tricky one

by gmat620 » Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:58 am
Hey friends, hope ur preparation going well...here is a long CR question...Please solve the question with explanation and also mention the time you took to answer the question..thanks
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An unbiased observer of everyday encounters in Western societies would surely not find many instances of unkindness by people under 65 toward people over 65. There are undoubtedly incidents of unkindness based on age, and these warrant reproof. However, the very fact that such reproof occurs and is generally accepted implies that our Western societies basically respect the elderly. The same conclusion can be drawn from a recent survey finding: 71 percent of the under 65 population agreed with the statement that “people over 65 receive too little respect from society”, while only 44 percent of the over-65 population, the target of the alleged irreverence agreed with it.
The author concludes that Western societies basically respect the elderly partly because
(A) people under 65 are just as kind to people over 65 as they are to people of their own age group
(B) survey data suggest that fewer people over 65 than under 65 get too little respect
(C) disrespect for the elderly does not go so far as to result in actual harm
(D) survey data suggest that people over 65 are more aware of incidents involving disrespect to the elderly than are people under 65
(E) incidents of unkindness to the elderly are neither common nor generally accepted in Western societies

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by dendude » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:28 am
By POE, D.

(A) people under 65 are just as kind to people over 65 as they are to people of their own age group - kindness to own age group Not in scope
(B) survey data suggest that fewer people over 65 than under 65 get too little respect - little respect to under 65 not in scope
(C) disrespect for the elderly does not go so far as to result in actual harm -Actual Harm not in scope
(D) survey data suggest that people over 65 are more aware of incidents involving disrespect to the elderly than are people under 65 - sticks to the argument
(E) incidents of unkindness to the elderly are neither common nor generally accepted in Western societies - acceptance of unkindness in Western societies not in scope

Whats the OA?

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by gmat620 » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:49 am
OA:E

anyone can provide an explanation ?

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by S0laris » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:59 am
the same strategy of POE left D - correct
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by gmat620 » Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:22 am
i realize that D is assumption or a part of assumption. Well, I am not sure..will be happy if any expert throws his views.

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by S0laris » Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:35 am
It's may be not assumption quest. instead, inference.
see
Premise: "...implies that our Western societies basically respect the elderly..."
and
Strange quest:"The author concludes that Western societies basically respect the elderly partly because "

I noticed that some questions are provided in strange way frequently have an assumption as an answer choice and an inference. Precisely this case added up confidence to my opinion that in strange quest cases, which seem like an assumption and have both in answer choices assumption and inference, we should go with the inference.
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by gmat620 » Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:56 am
first line of question says that such behaviour is not common and fourth line says that they are reproofed....but the question confuses us by mentioning of survey which hints us about option D...i accept it this way..anyways, I am not sure.

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by gmat620 » Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:14 am
Thanks S0laris but still I am unable to identify such questions and these confusing words as presuppostion, conclusion based on etc...

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by dgr8onerip » Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:20 am
IMO- E
dendude wrote:By POE, D.

(A) people under 65 are just as kind to people over 65 as they are to people of their own age group - kindness to own age group Not in scope
(B) survey data suggest that fewer people over 65 than under 65 get too little respect - little respect to under 65 not in scope
(C) disrespect for the elderly does not go so far as to result in actual harm -Actual Harm not in scope
(D) survey data suggest that people over 65 are more aware of incidents involving disrespect to the elderly than are people under 65 - sticks to the argument
(E) incidents of unkindness to the elderly are neither common nor generally accepted in Western societies - acceptance of unkindness in Western societies not in scope

Whats the OA?
Where does the passage say that ppl over 65 are more aware of incidents involving disrespect than are ppl under 65
even if it is true how can it be concluded that elders get respect. the statement D implies that younger ppl dont care for the elder ppl and elder ones actually r disrespected

the only logical conclusion that the author is trying to imply thru stats is that disrespect is generally not accepted
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by karmayogi » Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:58 pm
IMO E.

A, B, and C are out of scope.

The question is asking for the reason for the authors conclusion that “Western societies basically respect the elderly partly.” D provides extra information. The answer has to be based on the argument and not based on the extra information provided in an option. Option E is supported by following lines in the argument: “…in Western societies would surely not find many instances of unkindness by people under 65 toward people over 65 … undoubtedly incidents of unkindness based on age, and these warrant reproof…implies that our Western societies basically respect the elderly.”
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by bmlaud » Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:05 am
These type of questions are either assumption questions or must be true questions.

Conclusion:Western societies basically respect the elderly

The conclusion can be partly arrived at either by assumption or by premises. Here D is an assumption and it can be coupled with the results of the survey to get the conclusion.

Option E is a summarized form of premises and it requires the only assumption that the survey results are true to arrive at the conclusion. Normally survey results are taken as true in GMAT so I would prefer to go with option E

Its a good question, I took good time to decide between D and E. On reading the posted comments i got messed up with my reasoning.
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by gmat620 » Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:14 am
Thank you every one !!....

I would remember this rule, as pointed out by bmlaud, that between premises and assumption, we have to choose premises over assumption. Thanks once again to everbody.

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by vanessa.m » Sat May 14, 2016 2:27 am
E seems to be the best choice