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Word placement- Question# 72 1000SC

by isisalaska » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:52 am
72. Aho, a Kiowa matriarch, held festivals in her home, they featured the preparation of great quantities of ceremonial food, the wearing of many layers of colorful clothing adorned with silver, and the recounting of traditional tribal jokes and stories.
(A) Aho, a Kiowa matriarch, held festivals in her home, they featured
(B) Festivals were held in Aho, a Kiowa matriarch’s home, which featured
(C) Aho, who was a Kiowa matriarch in her home, held festivals featuring
(D) In her home, Aho, a Kiowa matriarch, held festivals that featured
(E) Aho, a Kiowa matriarch, held festivals in her home that featured

Is D the right answer becasue the emphasis is place on "home" rathee than Aho? or is there another reason?

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by sumitkrishna » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:46 pm
(A) is definitely incorrect ("they featured" makes no sense)

(B) has "which featured" referring to to her home (again incorrect. we have to look for a sentence in which the "feature of festivals" is highlighted.

(C) is kind of too wordy (keep on hold)

(D) "held festivals that featured" is very appropriate. (check E also and then decide)

(E) Again "in her home that featured" has emphasis on her home (wrong)

Best answer-(D)

This is my reasoning.

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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:48 pm
A is incorrect b/c it is a run-on sentence ("Aho...home" is one complete sentence and "they...stories is another)

B is incorrect because "which" indicates a noun modifier, which is required to be placed right next to the noun it is modifiying. The festivals featured the described things, not the home.

C is incorrect because it changes the meaning - it no longer says that the festivals were held in her home. It is also wordy.

D is fine. (Well, honestly, it's awkward. The real test wouldn't present this as the right answer.)

E sounds better than D but is incorrect because "that featured" indicated a noun modifier, which again required the noun to be next to the modifier. Again, the festivals featured the described things, not the home.
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by vishubn » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:07 am
D is fine. (Well, honestly, it's awkward. The real test wouldn't present this as the right answer.)

E sounds better than D but is incorrect because "that featured" indicated a noun modifier, which again required the noun to be next to the modifier. Again, the festivals featured the described things, not the home.
thanks Stacey !! it was awkward for D to be the answre

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Re: Word placement- Question# 72 1000SC

by Bidisha800 » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:12 pm
What is awkward about D ?

In her home (adverbial phrase), Aho (subject), a Kiowa matriarch (appositive of Aho), held (verb) festivals (object) that (introduces a restrictive clause that describes the festival) .....

The sentence flows perfectly.

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by marrisa07 » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:12 am
(D) In her home, Aho, a Kiowa matriarch, held festivals that featured

I didn't think D was correct, 'cause I thought the sentence should be corrected as follows:

In Aho's home, Aho, a Kiowa matriarch, held festivals that featured

I thought "her" is used incorrectly, 'cause "her" in original sentence is a "possessive pronoun" which refers to "Aho's" and there is no possessive noun "her" refers to, i.e. there is no "Aho's" in original sentence.
"Aho" in original sentence is "subject noun", not "posessive noun".

Can somebody clarify this for me?

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by caliartn » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:38 am
(D) In her home, Aho, a Kiowa matriarch, held festivals that featured
(E) Aho, a Kiowa matriarch, held festivals in her home that featured

Now, the rest of the sentence describes the festival and not her home. So D is the answer.
marrisa07 wrote:(D) In her home, Aho, a Kiowa matriarch, held festivals that featured

I didn't think D was correct, 'cause I thought the sentence should be corrected as follows:

In Aho's home, Aho, a Kiowa matriarch, held festivals that featured
In Aho's home, Aho, ... sounds very awkward. Why are you using her name twice?

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by Stacey Koprince » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:59 am
Marrisa - the rule you're referring to is a "one-way" rule - that is, a possessive noun cannot be referred to by a subject or object pronoun, but that rule does not hold in reverse.

So, "In Stacey's car, she always plays her favorite music."

"Stacey's" is an example of a possessive noun. "She" is a subject pronoun and "her" is a possessive pronoun. Because I'm trying to refer to a possessive noun, I can only use a possessive pronoun - the "she" is no good, in this case.

If the noun is a regular noun, though, not a possessive noun (that is, there's no "apostrophe-s" at the end) then you can refer to that noun via any of the three pronoun cases (subject, object, or possessive).

"Stacey always plays her favorite music in her car."
That one's okay.
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by marrisa07 » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:12 am
Thanks guys for reply!

Stacey, I have a follow-up question:

I read in Manhattan SC book that "Subject and object pronouns may ONLY refer back to subject and object nouns RESPECTIVELY."

I'm a bit confused :?

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by Stacey Koprince » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:22 am
Right - pronoun subjects should match with noun subjects, not objects. And pronoun objects should match with noun objects, not subjects. Basically - look to match the case.

Possessive pronouns, on the other hand, can refer to subject, object, or possessive nouns.
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by marrisa07 » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:40 pm
Stacey, thanks again.

In your example, "In Stacey's car, she always plays her favorite music."

You said "she" is no good, cause subject pronoun can not refer to possessive noun.

However, I found following sentences directly from 1000SC:

#317: Frances Wright’s book on America contrasted the republicanism of the United States with what she saw as the aristocratic and corrupt institutions of England. (Subject Pronoun "she" refers to Possessive Noun "Frances Wright's")

#458: Joplin’s faith in his opera “Tremonisha” was unshakable; in 1911 he published the score at his own expense and decided to stage the work himself. (Subject Pronoun "he" refers to Possessive Noun "Joplin's")

Are those sentences incorrect? Confused here.... :?

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by stop@800 » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:46 am
marrisa07 wrote:Stacey, thanks again.

In your example, "In Stacey's car, she always plays her favorite music."

You said "she" is no good, cause subject pronoun can not refer to possessive noun.

However, I found following sentences directly from 1000SC:

#317: Frances Wright’s book on America contrasted the republicanism of the United States with what she saw as the aristocratic and corrupt institutions of England. (Subject Pronoun "she" refers to Possessive Noun "Frances Wright's")

#458: Joplin’s faith in his opera “Tremonisha” was unshakable; in 1911 he published the score at his own expense and decided to stage the work himself. (Subject Pronoun "he" refers to Possessive Noun "Joplin's")

Are those sentences incorrect? Confused here.... :?

Thanks again!!
Yes these are incorrect.

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by logitech » Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:28 pm
marrisa07 wrote:Stacey, thanks again.

In your example, "In Stacey's car, she always plays her favorite music."

You said "she" is no good, cause subject pronoun can not refer to possessive noun.

However, I found following sentences directly from 1000SC:

#317: Frances Wright’s book on America contrasted the republicanism of the United States with what she saw as the aristocratic and corrupt institutions of England. (Subject Pronoun "she" refers to Possessive Noun "Frances Wright's")

#458: Joplin’s faith in his opera “Tremonisha” was unshakable; in 1911 he published the score at his own expense and decided to stage the work himself. (Subject Pronoun "he" refers to Possessive Noun "Joplin's")

Are those sentences incorrect? Confused here.... :?

Thanks again!!
Marrissa,

Tom's house is so dirty that he moved to another place. WRONG - just because the subject is TOM'S HOUSE and he can not be used as a pronoun.

On the other hand,

Tom left his house.

Tom is the subject and a pronoun can be used to refer HIM or HIS stuff.

So it is a one way street!
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by Stacey Koprince » Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:03 pm
Grammar has all kinds of intricate rules and details, and there are all kinds of exceptions and seeming contradictions - one source that will say X is okay and another that will say X is wrong. That's why it's critically important to study the grammar to which GMAC holds itself when creating the tests.

So take a look at OG verbal supplement, #86. Read the explanation. Since that's how GMAC views it, that's the rule we should follow. And to summarize: if you have a possessive modifying another noun, then the only pronouns that can properly refer to that possessive must be in the possessive case. If you do have a proper plural noun, you can refer to it with any of the three pronoun cases (depending upon the rest of the sentence structure, of course).
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by stop@800 » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:21 am
Stacey Koprince wrote:Grammar has all kinds of intricate rules and details, and there are all kinds of exceptions and seeming contradictions - one source that will say X is okay and another that will say X is wrong. That's why it's critically important to study the grammar to which GMAC holds itself when creating the tests.

So take a look at OG verbal supplement, #86. Read the explanation. Since that's how GMAC views it, that's the rule we should follow. And to summarize: if you have a possessive modifying another noun, then the only pronouns that can properly refer to that possessive must be in the possessive case. If you do have a proper plural noun, you can refer to it with any of the three pronoun cases
What about singular ones?
(depending upon the rest of the sentence structure, of course).