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Re: Tips to cross 700...

by mehravikas » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:00 pm
Hi Ron,

I have given 2 MGMAT tests and 2 GMAT PREP. Here are my scores.

MGMAT (3) - 660 (Q 49, V 31)
MGMAT (4) - 680 (Q 48, V 34)

GMAT PREP 1 (Reloaded) - 740 (Q 50, V 40)
GMAT PREP 2 (Reloaded) - 690 (Q 49, V 34)

In both the GMAT Preps, some questions were repeated. As you can see there is consistency in the quant score but Verbal score varies by quite a margin.

My main problem with MGMAT is that I'm getting a lot of RC's wrong. That's not the case with GMAT Prep, I hardly get 4-5 questions wrong on RC's.

I also noticed that MGMAT RC's are way too lengthy compared with GMAT Prep RC's that are more tricky.

I am confused, should I practice more for MGMAT RC's???
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mehravikas wrote:Can you give some important tips or suggestions how to reach 40 in the verbal section?
this is a difficult thing to answer, since you haven't really given any specifics as to your strengths and weaknesses.
i.e., you've stated a couple of things that you've done in preparation, but you haven't given any indication of the areas in which you're currently performing well, vs. the areas in which you're not.

also, you've stated that you're reading the opinion section of the newspaper. i don't know if indian newspapers are structured like western newspapers, but, if they are, that may be the least useful section of the newspaper to read, since the passages are rarely, if ever, structured like opinion pieces / editorials.

instead, you may want to look for online JOURNALS, particularly online business and scientific journals, since those articles are most similar to what you're going to see on the exam.
i googled "online business journal articles" and got results such as the following:
https://www.iveybusinessjournal.com/search/
that's not bad. the articles are obviously much, much longer than what you're going to get on the test, but the style is the same.

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finally:
the GMATPREP scores may not really represent improvements, since they are resets of exams you've already taken (and are thus packed with questions you've already seen).
why don't you take some new tests, rather than repeating the gmatprep tests over and over again?
you've only cited one mgmat test score, meaning that you have at least six more of those that you can take (the set of 6 tests + the "free online practice test" from the online store).

i'm not saying that you shouldn't repeat gmatprep - in fact, that's probably the single best way to be exposed to official problems - but you shouldn't put a lot of stock in the meaning of the SCORES that you get from a repeated administration.

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Re: Tips to cross 700...

by lunarpower » Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:45 am
mehravikas wrote:My main problem with MGMAT is that I'm getting a lot of RC's wrong. That's not the case with GMAT Prep, I hardly get 4-5 questions wrong on RC's.

I also noticed that MGMAT RC's are way too lengthy compared with GMAT Prep RC's that are more tricky.

I am confused, should I practice more for MGMAT RC's???
hmm. well, the gmatprep tests are official, so those are probably the best yardstick for measuring your progress.
it's rare to encounter huge differences between the two, but, in the event that such a difference exists, you should probably give more weight to your performance on the official metrics (i.e., the gmatprep tests).

have you already exhausted ALL of the rc questions in the OG's as well?
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Re: Tips to cross 700...

by mehravikas » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:48 am
Yes almost all of them.

I am surprised myself to see such a huge difference. MGMAT passages are way too lengthy compared with gmat prep passages.

Do you think that could be a reason?

I was revising the MGMAT test I gave yesterday. Here is the snapshot -

SC - 4 incorrect
CR - 3 incorrect
RC - 10 incorrect

Total Verbal Score - 34

In fact I wanted to book a test date but RC result somewhat scares me....
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mehravikas wrote:My main problem with MGMAT is that I'm getting a lot of RC's wrong. That's not the case with GMAT Prep, I hardly get 4-5 questions wrong on RC's.

I also noticed that MGMAT RC's are way too lengthy compared with GMAT Prep RC's that are more tricky.

I am confused, should I practice more for MGMAT RC's???
hmm. well, the gmatprep tests are official, so those are probably the best yardstick for measuring your progress.
it's rare to encounter huge differences between the two, but, in the event that such a difference exists, you should probably give more weight to your performance on the official metrics (i.e., the gmatprep tests).

have you already exhausted ALL of the rc questions in the OG's as well?

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Re: Tips to cross 700...

by lunarpower » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:51 am
hmm.

some of the older RC passages on our exams contain a few questions that are possibly not quite as "robotic" / literal-minded as they should be. however, this is the first i've heard that our passages are systematically longer than the passages on the official test.

i'll look into this (or have one of the other members of our CAT project look into it).

in any case, you should use your performance on OFFICIAL problems as the true metric of your performance on the exam.
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by mehravikas » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:57 am
Thanks Ron. I think MGMAT comes closest to the official prep tests and over the period of time using MGMAT books and CAT's one can see the improvement in performance.

I want to have your personal opinion on this - I have read it so many times on a debrief and on other GMAT forums.

"Is it correct that your actual GMAT score comes in the range of +50 or -50 of your gmat prep tests"

I just want to go in without any doubts....really want to BEAT THE GMAT.

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by lunarpower » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:03 am
mehravikas wrote:"Is it correct that your actual GMAT score comes in the range of +50 or -50 of your gmat prep tests"
hi -

well, that's going to be true for most people, yes.

however, we obviously can't guarantee that this will happen.
* for some people, sheer statistical randomness will cause the actual test-day score to fall outside this range.
* some people will experience test anxiety that is debilitating to an extent such that their score falls far below their practice-test scores.
* some people's practice scores are higher than they should be because of differences in testing conditions. for instance, they may skip the essays (leading them to be more fresh), frequently pause the test, or take the practice test at a more comfortable time of day.

in any case, DO NOT THINK ABOUT YOUR SCORE WHILE YOU'RE TAKING THE TEST.
there is no possible positive outcome from doing so, and plenty of possible negative outcomes (esp. regarding test anxiety).

good luck.
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by mehravikas » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:08 am
Thanks...again.

Hopefully, I'll win this time...

Your help is highly appreciated.

Best Regards,
Vikas Mehra
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mehravikas wrote:"Is it correct that your actual GMAT score comes in the range of +50 or -50 of your gmat prep tests"
hi -

well, that's going to be true for most people, yes.

however, we obviously can't guarantee that this will happen.
* for some people, sheer statistical randomness will cause the actual test-day score to fall outside this range.
* some people will experience test anxiety that is debilitating to an extent such that their score falls far below their practice-test scores.
* some people's practice scores are higher than they should be because of differences in testing conditions. for instance, they may skip the essays (leading them to be more fresh), frequently pause the test, or take the practice test at a more comfortable time of day.

in any case, DO NOT THINK ABOUT YOUR SCORE WHILE YOU'RE TAKING THE TEST.
there is no possible positive outcome from doing so, and plenty of possible negative outcomes (esp. regarding test anxiety).

good luck.

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by rishi4you » Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:19 am
I would like to add that for crossing the 700 barrier. It is absolute must that we get at least 37-38 in Verbal . I am also a non- native and struggling to get a foothold on the Verbal portion.
When it comes to the actual GMAT SC questions, they are much more tougher than what you see in OG11 or OG12 and to answer them under 90 secs is a tough ask.
Infact this thing costed me dearly as i had made my mind to answer any SC question within 90 secs and this was working fine for me in the practice test and i was averaging between 36-40 and was pretty much happy with my verbal but in the real test i realised that the question were a lot difficult and obscured to say the least and it was no easy task to break it up into core and look for the modifiers and then search for the mistakes in the splits and resplits. But bcoz i had made my mind to answer all SC's in 90 secs i did the folly of falling back on my ear and it cost me dearly .
So the message is- Give urself some extra time depending upon the difficulty of the question and here comes the main issue. Unlike Math , in verbal its a lot harder to find out the difficulty level of the questions.

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by mehravikas » Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:33 pm
I think answering SC's under 90 secs isnt a good idea unless you are a verbal geek :-)
rishi4you wrote:I would like to add that for crossing the 700 barrier. It is absolute must that we get at least 37-38 in Verbal . I am also a non- native and struggling to get a foothold on the Verbal portion.
When it comes to the actual GMAT SC questions, they are much more tougher than what you see in OG11 or OG12 and to answer them under 90 secs is a tough ask.
Infact this thing costed me dearly as i had made my mind to answer any SC question within 90 secs and this was working fine for me in the practice test and i was averaging between 36-40 and was pretty much happy with my verbal but in the real test i realised that the question were a lot difficult and obscured to say the least and it was no easy task to break it up into core and look for the modifiers and then search for the mistakes in the splits and resplits. But bcoz i had made my mind to answer all SC's in 90 secs i did the folly of falling back on my ear and it cost me dearly .
So the message is- Give urself some extra time depending upon the difficulty of the question and here comes the main issue. Unlike Math , in verbal its a lot harder to find out the difficulty level of the questions.

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by lunarpower » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:26 am
mehravikas wrote:I think answering SC's under 90 secs isnt a good idea unless you are a verbal geek :-)
not really.

you SHOULD be able to resolve MOST sc questions in 1:30 or less. in fact, just about all of them, except for the ones that are obnoxiously long (like paragraph-length sentences and/or answer choices).

the fact of the matter is that you're going to have to cut time from somewhere.

most sc problems really are not very long. if you're taking more than 80-90 seconds, it probably just means that you're DELIBERATING - i.e., just staring at the problems, without really doing anything or making any decisions.

YOU CANNOT DELIBERATE. IF YOU DELIBERATE, YOU WILL RUN OUT OF TIME.

the key is to become comfortable enough with SC that you can progress rapidly, and without delays, but NOT get overly nervous about it.

if you let yourself take two minutes on SC questions, then where are you going to steal that time from? if you try to hurry through CR or RC questions - as detail oriented as those are - that way lies disaster.

AIM TO COMPLETE SC QUESTIONS IN < 90 SECONDS, EXCEPT FOR THE LONGEST ONES, WITHOUT ELEVATED ANXIETY OR SILLY MISTAKES.
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by mehravikas » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:41 am
I agree with you completely. My concern was that one should not make random guesses in SCs and just move ahead so that more time can be allocated to CR and RC.

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by myohmy » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:44 am
You're right. You shouldn't make random guesses. But generally, nearly everyone is able to eliminate two answer choices (at least) from the SCs, usually by the 50 second mark. Choosing from the remaining three gives you a much better chance of getting it right if you really have no idea what the error is. Obviously, if you know what it is you should choose the right answer.

Good luck on your test!