## R&D on GMAT prep

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by gmatmachoman » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:59 am
Guys,

I request everyone to post their Verbal GMAT prep scores along with a snapshot..

Once I get 100 odd data, I can give them to my SQC( Statistical quality control) Team in my office who can give a "decent" analysis of th e trend..

My friend said he needs atleast 100 samples to get a "confidence" to plot the trend.

Now we have 10 entries..still we need 90...

Plz plz pitch in...

Please spread by word of mouth to ur buddies so that we will be able to crack the Monster...

@Praveen.l @selfmade.give me sometime for analysis

Hope we are not right path!!

Praveen I am looking for ur support dude....

plz tell anand also

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by kvcpk » Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:10 am
gmatmachoman wrote:
@Praveen.l @selfmade.give me sometime for analysis

Hope we are not right path!!

Praveen I am looking for ur support dude....

plz tell anand also
Sure Buddy,

I will give my best. Will let others know about it. Or else, I will retake and post some.

Analysis would be really helpful in sketching out some strategies.
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by selango » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:15 am
Hi Govi,

This is my latest verbal score.[Score - 45]

Took 100% care not to make more mistakes in first 20 questions and in RC.
Made few educational guess in bw.Surprisingly they r correct.

Total mistakes -3

1-10-No mistake, 11-20- 1 mistake , 21-30- 1 mistake , 31-41- 1 mistake

17-RC, 30-CR, 41-SC

I spent less time on SC and CR so that I can allot more time to RC.

Average time on SC - 1 min

Average time on CR - 1.5 min

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by kvcpk » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:20 am
selango wrote:Hi Govi,

This is my latest verbal score.[Score - 45]

Took 100% care not to make more mistakes in first 20 questions and in RC.
Made few educational guess in bw.Surprisingly they r correct.

Total mistakes -3

1-20- 1 mistake , 21-30- 1 mistake , 31-41- 1 mistake

17-RC, 30-CR, 41-SC
Very Interesting. with 3 mistakes.. I think one would get a 51 in Quant. But only 45 in Verbal ???
This is something that I cant even dream about...
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by pkit » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:24 am
selango wrote:Hi Govi,

This is my latest verbal score.[Score - 45]

Took 100% care not to make more mistakes in first 20 questions and in RC.
Made few educational guess in bw.Surprisingly they r correct.
WOU! I wish I could have at least 40. Are you native speaker?

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by selango » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:31 am
Hey guys...This is an inflated score as there are few repeated questions especially RC.Also I took only verbal part.
Do read the score as 38-40.
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by selango » Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:21 am
Govi,

These are the verbal scores compiled from Hardik's score sheet.

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by shovan85 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:34 am
[email protected] wrote:I see that you have quite the experiment going on here...there is of course excellent logic behind the idea that doing very poorly early on will leave you with a mountain to climb later. And if you do poorly enough early on then you will be unable to make it up that mountain.

However, this point does not seem to be the valuable one -- who would seek to poorly at the beginning (or in fact at any point in the test)?

The valuable point and the one that seems to keep popping up is this - "Can you do really well on the first 10 or 20 questions and then - because you are running out of time - do poorly on the rest of test and still score well?"

All the evidence that I have ever seen, first hand from my students and otherwise is that you cannot fool the test that way.

Have you tried this? First 20 right (unlikely on test day!) and then just guess "A" for the last 17? What would that score be? That I would love to know.

Also, how do you account for the experimental questions in your studies? Since on the actual test several questions on each section do not count, how does that impact your experiment translating to test day when you do not know if any particular question actually counts?

Interesting stuff guys!
I took the GMAT prep today... out of first 27 I got 24 correct or out of first 20 19 correct then knowingly I clicked all A (only 1 got correct out of all A) so 9 incorrect . Raw score came 49/51 in total 12 incorrect.

Guys First 20 is crucial. Then dont bother about the time do it little bit relaxed. Running out of time no intelligent guess reqd just finish it

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by shovan85 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:47 am
shovan85 wrote: I took the GMAT prep today... out of first 27 I got 24 correct or out of first 20 19 correct then knowingly I clicked all A (only 1 got correct out of all A) so 9 incorrect . Raw score came 49/51 in total 12 incorrect.

Guys First 20 is crucial. Then dont bother about the time do it little bit relaxed. Running out of time no intelligent guess reqd just finish it
Sorry its for Quant but stil worth a post

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by gmatmachoman » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:52 am
shovan85 wrote:
shovan85 wrote: I took the GMAT prep today... out of first 27 I got 24 correct or out of first 20 19 correct then knowingly I clicked all A (only 1 got correct out of all A) so 9 incorrect . Raw score came 49/51 in total 12 incorrect.

Guys First 20 is crucial. Then dont bother about the time do it little bit relaxed. Running out of time no intelligent guess reqd just finish it
Sorry its for Quant but stil worth a post
yeah.. u r welcome.. I am keeping track of all the data...

Plz guys we need more data for a concrete trend...

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by e-GMAT » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:17 am
Hi guys,

here is an interesting data set that would probably enable you to draw some conclusions..

We did this simulation some time back and got a score of 34 in Verbal. We did 9 out of the first 10 incorrect and then answered the remaining 31 correctly. If you combine this data point with some of the other data points that I have already seen on this thread, you can conclude that the GMAT Prep probably gives a higher priority to the initial questions or penalizes you more for continuously answering questions incorrectly.

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by shovan85 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:32 pm
Is there an analysis... which has got most weightage?
I mean if I correct all SC and CR getting all RC wrong how will the score look like? I can try all SC correct but not sure about RC and CR so sometimes could not get all CR correct or all RC wrong?

Please have a look into this scenario.

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by gmatmachoman » Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:26 am
e-GMAT wrote:Hi guys,

here is an interesting data set that would probably enable you to draw some conclusions..

We did this simulation some time back and got a score of 34 in Verbal. We did 9 out of the first 10 incorrect and then answered the remaining 31 correctly. If you combine this data point with some of the other data points that I have already seen on this thread, you can conclude that the GMAT Prep probably gives a higher priority to the initial questions or penalizes you more for continuously answering questions incorrectly.

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wow..adding on tothat, in my previous snap shot I scored Verbal 40 with 9 incorrect.

In that in first 20, there are only 3 mistakes and remaining in the end.

Bottom Line : you can conclude that the GMAT Prep probably gives a higher priority to the initial questions or penalizes you more for continuously answering questions incorrectly.

Awesome!!

Keep data pooling!!

Thx Rajat..Now I think u should feel bit warm as We are working out in reality as what u have suggested in our strategy classes..

Thx Man!!

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by shovan85 » Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:02 pm
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by kvcpk » Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:08 pm
shovan85 wrote:HI
Hi Shovan,

Is it a 33 in Verbal and 50 in Quant??
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don't be afraid of failure and don't abandon it.
People who work sincerely are the happiest."
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