As per Ron's reasoning provided at the https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/pos ... 4622,nouns that are modified by prepositional phrases can still be the referent of 'which' even if they are a few words distant from it.
For example: "The picture of my brothers, which was taken last year in Mexico, is one of my favorites."
Here, which can refer to the picture.
However, if I look at the below question, D-40 of OG 12, a doubt appears in my mind..
In 1995 Richard Stallman, a well-known critic of the
patent system, testified in Patent Office hearings
that, to test the system, a colleague of his had
managed to win a patent for one of Kirchhoff's laws,
an observation about electric current first made in
1845 and now included in virtually every textbook of
elementary physics
A) laws, an observation about electric current first
made in 1845 and
(B) laws, which was an observation about electric
current first made in 1845 and it is
(C) laws, namely, it was an observation about
electric current first made in 1845 and
(D) laws, an observation about electric current first
made in 1845, it is
(E) laws that was an observation about electric
current, first made in 1845, and is
Here, OG says that in option B-
Which is ambiguous because it could refer to
one or to laws; it is violates the parallelism of
first made and now included.
But according to Ron's comment, which can refer to one unambiguously. Please let me know what I am missing.
Thanks !
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Good point. Bringing such points to this forum helps people like me too learn.
Let's see if the experts here reply. But according to me, in your example of the brothers, you do not use which to refer to brothers. So it can refer only to the picture. brothers (who)?
In the other example, which can be used to refer to laws too. So it is not clear what it is referring to.
PS: I am just giving it a shot. I am interested in an expert reply.
Let's see if the experts here reply. But according to me, in your example of the brothers, you do not use which to refer to brothers. So it can refer only to the picture. brothers (who)?
In the other example, which can be used to refer to laws too. So it is not clear what it is referring to.
PS: I am just giving it a shot. I am interested in an expert reply.
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In your example, you would use who if you meant to refer to brothers rather than which. Which can only mean the picture.
The greater the distance, though, the less clear a pronoun like which becomes.
The greater the distance, though, the less clear a pronoun like which becomes.
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if the official guide says that "which" is misused in option (b), then, unfortunately, this is one of the small (but not negligible) number of instances in which the official guide's explanation is incorrect.
the use of "which" to represent one of kirchhoff's laws is perfectly acceptable. (for an analogous, officially correct answer, check out sc #26 in the 12th edition official guide -- the problem about emily dickinson's letters.)
there are at least two significant areas in choice (b):
* the use of the past tense (was) is unacceptable, since the law described has not ceased to be an observation about electrical current (nor will it ever). this description is a timeless truth independent of any particular timeframe, so it should appear in the present tense.
* " and it is..." is not parallel to anything.
the use of "which" to represent one of kirchhoff's laws is perfectly acceptable. (for an analogous, officially correct answer, check out sc #26 in the 12th edition official guide -- the problem about emily dickinson's letters.)
there are at least two significant areas in choice (b):
* the use of the past tense (was) is unacceptable, since the law described has not ceased to be an observation about electrical current (nor will it ever). this description is a timeless truth independent of any particular timeframe, so it should appear in the present tense.
* " and it is..." is not parallel to anything.
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Hey Ron,
I have another doubt about this particular question. I had below stated idea in my my. Instead of considering "an observation ..." part as an appositive, I mistook an observation for an abstract noun thus considering (A) option wrong. Can you help me to find a difference between these two concepts.
COMMA + ABSTRACT NOUN is allowed to stand for the ENTIRE IDEA OF THE PRECEDING CLAUSE.
Thank you.
I have another doubt about this particular question. I had below stated idea in my my. Instead of considering "an observation ..." part as an appositive, I mistook an observation for an abstract noun thus considering (A) option wrong. Can you help me to find a difference between these two concepts.
COMMA + ABSTRACT NOUN is allowed to stand for the ENTIRE IDEA OF THE PRECEDING CLAUSE.
Thank you.
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well, yeah, the point is that abstract things (situation, observation, relationship, etc.) CAN stand for the whole idea of the preceding clause. but, if the noun that comes before them also represents an abstract concept, then it's also possible for these to work in the same way more concrete nouns would work.xyzx5230 wrote:Hey Ron,
I have another doubt about this particular question. I had below stated idea in my my. Instead of considering "an observation ..." part as an appositive, I mistook an observation for an abstract noun thus considering (A) option wrong. Can you help me to find a difference between these two concepts.
COMMA + ABSTRACT NOUN is allowed to stand for the ENTIRE IDEA OF THE PRECEDING CLAUSE.
Thank you.
e.g.
James was thirsty almost constantly, a phenomenon that his doctor attributed to low aldosterone levels.
--> here, "an phenomenon" is describing the entire idea that James was thirsty almost constantly.
however...
Jury deliberations often give rise to group polarization, a phenomenon in which a group of people reaches a consensus that is more extreme than any of its members' initial opinions.
--> here, "group polarization" is already an abstract idea, so it's fine for "a phenomenon" to describe that idea.
as usual with modifiers, this issue basically boils down to understanding the intended meaning of the sentence.
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