is this sentence correct. it sounds fine but grammatically seems wrong. "which" refers to "the role... ball" but when i put this replacement in sentence it seems wrong
Halle Berry played the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball, which Queen Latifah was initially offered
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IMO sentence is not correct for,vikram4689 wrote:is this sentence correct. it sounds fine but grammatically seems wrong. "which" refers to "the role... ball" but when i put this replacement in sentence it seems wrong
Halle Berry played the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball, which Queen Latifah was initially offered
1) WHICH could refer to either THE ROLE or BALL
2) WHICH clause is not properly constructed - IMO sentence should have been written as WHICH WAS INITIALLY OFFERED TO QUEEN LATIFAH. The way sentence is constructed now WHICH Clause IS NOT ABLE connect with the NOUN (either THE ROLE or BALL) - THE ROLE (BALL) QUEEN WAS OFFERED (does not make sense)
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to focus on the problem i wrote 2 equivalent sentences below
Halle Berry played the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball, which Queen Latifah was initially offered ==
Halle Berry played the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball, the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball Queen Latifah was initially offered
it seems *bold* is acting as adjective to *underlined* part but grammatically the construction seems incorrect
experts help !!
Halle Berry played the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball, which Queen Latifah was initially offered ==
Halle Berry played the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball, the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball Queen Latifah was initially offered
it seems *bold* is acting as adjective to *underlined* part but grammatically the construction seems incorrect
experts help !!
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The sentence is fine vikram.
"which" and other relative pronouns can refer to the noun immediately before or to the phrase immediately before the comma. Both of the following sentences are correct:
The roof of the gingerbread house, which is located at 123 My Street, leaks every time it rains.
The roof of the gingerbread house, which was replaced only 3 years ago, leaks every time it rains.
Whether "which" refers to the noun or to the entire phrase that precedes it is determined by the intended meaning. Think about which story the author is trying to tell.
In your example, it doesn't make as much sense to mean that the movie was offered to Queen Latifah as it does to mean that the role was offered to Queen Latifah. Thus "which" is referring to the role.
What "which" cannot do is refer to a noun or phrase that is on the other side of a verb. For instance, the following is problematic: "This raw deal cost me a fortune, which was supposed to be completed in 6 months but instead took 6 years". In this case, which cannot refer to the deal.
"which" is also a poor way to modify an action. For instance the following sentence is problematic: "All the employees quit on the same day, which led to our bankruptcy." In this case, an -ing ("leading to our bankruptcy") or a noun ("a catastrophe which led to our bankruptcy") are better suited.
"which" and other relative pronouns can refer to the noun immediately before or to the phrase immediately before the comma. Both of the following sentences are correct:
The roof of the gingerbread house, which is located at 123 My Street, leaks every time it rains.
The roof of the gingerbread house, which was replaced only 3 years ago, leaks every time it rains.
Whether "which" refers to the noun or to the entire phrase that precedes it is determined by the intended meaning. Think about which story the author is trying to tell.
In your example, it doesn't make as much sense to mean that the movie was offered to Queen Latifah as it does to mean that the role was offered to Queen Latifah. Thus "which" is referring to the role.
What "which" cannot do is refer to a noun or phrase that is on the other side of a verb. For instance, the following is problematic: "This raw deal cost me a fortune, which was supposed to be completed in 6 months but instead took 6 years". In this case, which cannot refer to the deal.
"which" is also a poor way to modify an action. For instance the following sentence is problematic: "All the employees quit on the same day, which led to our bankruptcy." In this case, an -ing ("leading to our bankruptcy") or a noun ("a catastrophe which led to our bankruptcy") are better suited.
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thanks patrick for reply, but my question is not whether "which" is correctly referring to "role". my question is (in blue)
Halle Berry played the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball, the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball Queen Latifah was initially offered
in above sentence, it seems *bold* part is acting as adjective to *underlined* part but grammatically this construction seems incorrect as 2 nouns are adjacent without any verb
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A noun modifier need not always touch noun but in this case the sentence is incorrect.
this post will help you.
https://gmatclub.com/forum/noun-modifier ... 35868.html
this post will help you.
https://gmatclub.com/forum/noun-modifier ... 35868.html
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i am asking something else, did you read https://www.beatthegmat.com/experts-help ... tml#492941karthikgmat wrote:A noun modifier need not always touch noun but in this case the sentence is incorrect.
this post will help you.
https://gmatclub.com/forum/noun-modifier ... 35868.html
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Hey Vikram,
Couple things here:
1) The great news on the GMAT is that you don't have to make this decision in a vacuum...there will be answer choices! So the test will help direct you to decision points. Personally, I don't love the way that which clause is set up, but if there isn't a better option I then get to determine whether I could live with it.
2) Check out this decision to see which you like:
Halle Berry played the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball, which Queen Latifah was initially offered.
Halle Berry played the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball, which was initially offered to Queen Latifah.
It has to be the second one, right?
And here's the reason - in this clause "which" takes the role of the subject (replacing "the role"). And with that, then you're really saying:
The role Queen Latifah was originally offered.
Which really needs a "that" to separate subject and object (The role that Queen Latifah was originally offered).
Hope that helps!
Couple things here:
1) The great news on the GMAT is that you don't have to make this decision in a vacuum...there will be answer choices! So the test will help direct you to decision points. Personally, I don't love the way that which clause is set up, but if there isn't a better option I then get to determine whether I could live with it.
2) Check out this decision to see which you like:
Halle Berry played the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball, which Queen Latifah was initially offered.
Halle Berry played the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball, which was initially offered to Queen Latifah.
It has to be the second one, right?
And here's the reason - in this clause "which" takes the role of the subject (replacing "the role"). And with that, then you're really saying:
The role Queen Latifah was originally offered.
Which really needs a "that" to separate subject and object (The role that Queen Latifah was originally offered).
Hope that helps!
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Wow !!!, That was exact verbatim of what i had in mind.Brian@VeritasPrep wrote:Hey Vikram,
Couple things here:
1) The great news on the GMAT is that you don't have to make this decision in a vacuum...there will be answer choices! So the test will help direct you to decision points. Personally, I don't love the way that which clause is set up, but if there isn't a better option I then get to determine whether I could live with it.
2) Check out this decision to see which you like:
Halle Berry played the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball, which Queen Latifah was initially offered.
Halle Berry played the role of Leticia Musgrove in Monster's Ball, which was initially offered to Queen Latifah.
It has to be the second one, right?
And here's the reason - in this clause "which" takes the role of the subject (replacing "the role"). And with that, then you're really saying:
The role Queen Latifah was originally offered.
Which really needs a "that" to separate subject and object (The role that Queen Latifah was originally offered).
Hope that helps!
One question left to be answered is - since we CANNOT omit "that", shouldn't that sentence be declared as incorrect on the basis of violating grammer rules
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