Sculpted boulders found at Lepenski

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Sculpted boulders found at Lepenski

by rajcools » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:12 am
Sculpted boulders found at Lepenski Vir, an example of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, includes 15 figures with human features similar to Upper Paleolithic forms and to Middle Eastern Nantufian stone figurines.

A) Vir, an example of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, includes
B) Vir, examples of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, include
C)Vir, earliest of monumental art known from central and western Europe, include
D)Vir are examples of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe and includes
E)Vir are examples of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, including

OA after some discussion

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by [email protected] » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:26 am
IMO C
Sculpted boulders - Plural.
Hence either B/C

Now since we are talkin' about Sculpted boulders, these are nothing but monumental arts.
C looks more concise that does B.

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by bobdylan » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:36 am
I will choose D

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by bobdylan » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:36 am
I will choose D

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by ankita1709 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:01 am
rajcools wrote:Sculpted boulders found at Lepenski Vir, an example of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, includes 15 figures with human features similar to Upper Paleolithic forms and to Middle Eastern Nantufian stone figurines.

A) Vir, an example of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, includes
B) Vir, examples of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, include
C)Vir, earliest of monumental art known from central and western Europe, include
D)Vir are examples of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe and includes
E)Vir are examples of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, including

OA after some discussion
I think the answer should be D
Reason- an example of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe is a modifier and in the original sentence it seems to modify Lepenski Vir (which it should not )because it describes the art form.
Hence A, B , C - out
between D and C the sentence includes 15 figures with human features similar to Upper Paleolithic forms and to Middle Eastern Nantufian stone figurines. is adding information about the art from so and should be used

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by eagleeye » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:00 pm
Good question. The correct answer should be B. . Let's go through the options one by one:


A) Vir, an example of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, includes
We are talking about sculptures, which are plural, "includes" is a singular verb. Hence wrong. Also, it seems to modify Lipinski Vir, which is a place and not an example of art. ("at Lipinski Vir"). NO

B) Vir, examples of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, include
This is correct. It corrects both problems with the first one:
1) It has the plural verb include.
2) It reads "Sculpted boulders found at Lepenski Vir, examples of the earliest monumental art". Clearly "examples" a plural noun, can only refer to "Sculpted boulders". So no ambiguity. YES.

C)Vir, earliest of monumental art known from central and western Europe, include
Vir looks like its being modified. Vir is a place not "the earliest of monumental art" NO.

D)Vir are examples of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe and includes
The part till and is ok, but the problem is "includes". "Sculpted Boulders" are plural and hence the verb after AND must be "include". NO.

E)Vir are examples of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, including

including seems to modify "Central and western Europe" Meaning change.Ambiguous. NO.

Let me know if this helps :)
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by rajcools » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:43 pm
OA is B

@eagleeye gud explanation
but i have a doubt about your reason for eliminating E

In E there is no modifier
"are" is the verb there
I think "including" in E, starting point of subordinate clause, is the problem here. What say?

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by eagleeye » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:54 pm
rajcools wrote:OA is B

@eagleeye gud explanation
but i have a doubt about your reason for eliminating E

In E there is no modifier
"are" is the verb there
I think "including" in E, starting point of subordinate clause, is the problem here. What say?
Good catch rajcools, I was playing this one by ear, and misread it. Anyway, see the edited response, you should be satisfied.

Let me know if this helps :)

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by ice_rush » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:48 pm
take out the middle man and you are left with: Sculpted boulders...include 15 figures with human features...

We are now left with (B) and (C) ... only (B) preserves the original meaning.


Hope this helps.

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by 1947 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:40 pm
rajcools wrote:Sculpted boulders found at Lepenski Vir, an example of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, includes 15 figures with human features similar to Upper Paleolithic forms and to Middle Eastern Nantufian stone figurines.

A) Vir, an example of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, includes
B) Vir, examples of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, include
C)Vir, earliest of monumental art known from central and western Europe, include <<Change of meaning >>
D)Vir are examples of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe and includes
E)Vir are examples of the earliest monumental art known from central and western Europe, including

OA after some discussion
not sure how E can be ruled out...B for me.
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by 1947 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:43 pm
guys can you please discuss the use of including....
I remember Ron saying that its usage is different from regular verb+ing words.

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by avik.ch » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:32 am
1947 wrote:guys can you please discuss the use of including....
I remember Ron saying that its usage is different from regular verb+ing words.

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1. It modifies the preceding noun. ( it looks like a comm+ing modifier, but it did not work in this way)
John scored 100 marks in his most recent exam, bringing his average to 95%. - It modifies the whole clause.
The Natural Fitness Test consists mostly of body exercise program, including sit-ups, X....

2.It should give a list of some, but not all, of that noun.

The Gym teacher asked us to do three body exercise, including X,Y and Z.( this is wrong, as all are mentioned)
The Gym teacher asked us to do ten body exercise, including X,Y and Z ( this is Ok)

Please note : These all are Ron's example.

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by rajcools » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:51 am
@experts please tell the best way to eliminate E

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by 1947 » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:22 am
As explained by avik...
,including is used when
1. it mnodifies the preceding Noun
2. give a partial list of examples.

by this reasoning including here modifies location(europe)
not the intended meaning...so E can be ruled out.
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by rajcools » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:12 am
i still have doubt
-ing form modifies subject of the precding clause or the whole of preceding clause

And in this case subject is

"Sculpted boulders found at Lepensk are"

so i still dont get it :(