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On GMAT,doesn't VERBed ALWAYS serve to modify the NEAREST PRECEDING NOUN (or NOUN Phrase), IRRESPECTIVE of COMMA before it (re the VERBed MODIFIER) ?
Generally, COMMA + VERBed serves to refer to the nearest preceding noun.
E: electric current, first made in 1845
Here, made seems to modify current -- the nearest preceding noun -- implying that electric CURRENT was first MADE in 1845.
Not the intended meaning.

NO COMMA + VERBed does NOT have to refer to the nearest preceding noun.
OA: an observation about electric current first made in 1845
Here, made serves to modify an observation, implying that AN OBSERVATION was first MADE in 1845.
This is the intended meaning.
In the OA, the referent for made is NOT the nearest preceding noun.

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@ GMATGuruNY - couple of quick clarifications required on VERBed modifier in this SC and as a whole...

1. If we say that in E, COMMA + VERBed ,first made modifies the COMPLETE preceding NOUN Phrase an observation about electric current, then will it be wrong as far as application of VERBed modifier is concerned on GMAT ? ( However, E is still an INCORRECT option for other reasons)

2. NO COMMA + VERBed : So, it may (or may not) refer to nearest preceding NOUN (or NOUN Phrase) on GMAT.
BUT COMMA + VERBed ALWAYS serves to refer to the nearest preceding NOUN (or NOUN Phrase) on GMAT. Did I get you right ?

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GMATGuruNY - could you please share your feedback on my concerns mentioned in the immediate above post ?

Would much appreciate your reply.Thanks in advance!

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@ GMATGuruNY - couple of quick clarifications required on VERBed modifier in this SC and as a whole...

1. If we say that in E, COMMA + VERBed ,first made modifies the COMPLETE preceding NOUN Phrase an observation about electric current, then will it be wrong as far as application of VERBed modifier is concerned on GMAT ? ( However, E is still an INCORRECT option for other reasons)
COMMA + VERBed must serve to modify the nearest preceding NOUN.
In E, COMMA + first made CANNOT serve to modify observation, since observation is NOT the nearest preceding noun.
Rather, it must serve to modify current, the nearest preceding noun.
As a result, E conveys that the CURRENT was FIRST MADE in 1845 -- a distortion of the intended meaning.

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2. NO COMMA + VERBed : So, it may (or may not) refer to nearest preceding NOUN (or NOUN Phrase) on GMAT.
BUT COMMA + VERBed ALWAYS serves to refer to the nearest preceding NOUN (or NOUN Phrase) on GMAT. Did I get you right ?
COMMA + VERBed must serve to modify the nearest preceding NOUN.
NO COMMA + VERBed may modify either the nearest preceding noun OR the nearest preceding NOUN PHRASE.
In the OA, first made modifies an observation about electric current -- the nearest preceding noun PHRASE -- correctly conveying that AN OBSERVATION ABOUT ELECTRIC CURRENT was FIRST MADE in 1845.

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Great explanations. But,

COMMA + VERBed must serve to modify the nearest preceding NOUN.
In E, COMMA + first made CANNOT serve to modify observation, since observation is NOT the nearest preceding noun.
Rather, it must serve to modify current, the nearest preceding noun.

In this case, isn't there an exception to the rule that the preposition phrase can be IGNORED and thus first made can SKIP current to modify observation?

[quote="GMATGuruNY"][quote="RBBmba@2014"]@ [color=red]GMATGuruNY [/color]- couple of quick clarifications required on [i][color=red]VERBed[/color][/i] modifier in this SC and as a whole...

1. If we say that in E, COMMA + VERBed [i][color=red],first made [/color][/i] modifies [u]the COMPLETE preceding NOUN Phrase[/u] [i]an observation about electric current[/i], then will it be wrong as far as application of [i]VERBed[/i] modifier is concerned on GMAT ? [i]( However, E is still an INCORRECT option for other reasons)[/i][/quote]

COMMA + VERBed must serve to modify the nearest preceding NOUN.
In E, COMMA + [i]first made[/i] CANNOT serve to modify [i]observation[/i], since [i]observation[/i] is NOT the nearest preceding noun.
Rather, it must serve to modify [i]current[/i], the nearest preceding noun.
As a result, E conveys that the CURRENT was FIRST MADE in 1845 -- a distortion of the intended meaning.

[quote]2. [i]NO COMMA + VERBed[/i] : So, it [i][color=red]may (or may not)[/color][/i] refer to nearest preceding NOUN (or NOUN Phrase) on GMAT.
BUT [i]COMMA + VERBed [/i] [color=red]ALWAYS [/color]serves to refer to the nearest preceding NOUN (or NOUN Phrase) on GMAT. Did I get you right ?[/quote]

COMMA + VERBed must serve to modify the nearest preceding NOUN.
NO COMMA + VERBed may modify either the nearest preceding noun OR the nearest preceding NOUN PHRASE.
In the OA, [i]first made[/i] modifies [i]an observation about electric current[/i] -- the nearest preceding noun PHRASE -- correctly conveying that AN OBSERVATION ABOUT ELECTRIC CURRENT was FIRST MADE in 1845.[/quote]

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Great explanations. But,

COMMA + VERBed must serve to modify the nearest preceding NOUN.
In E, COMMA + first made CANNOT serve to modify observation, since observation is NOT the nearest preceding noun.
Rather, it must serve to modify current, the nearest preceding noun.

In this case, isn't there an exception to the rule that the preposition phrase can be IGNORED and thus first made can SKIP current to modify observation?
As stated in my post above, a COMMA + VERBed modifier must serve to modify the nearest preceding noun.
To my knowledge, no official SC has disregarded this rule.

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GMATGuruNY wrote:
Generally, when a conjunction such as and serves to connect one extended that-clause to another, the second that should not be omitted.
With regard to this rule, E should read as follows:
one of Kirchoff's laws THAT was an observation about electric current, first made in 1845, and THAT is now included in virtually every textbook of elementary physics.

Eliminate E.
Dear GMATGuru

I agree with about the parallelism of connecting extended 'that' clause. But I wonder if this rule was violated in any official question that you came across. If yes, Can you cite any official question that second 'that' was omitted?

Thanks

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GMATGuruNY wrote:
Generally, when a conjunction such as and serves to connect one extended that-clause to another, the second that should not be omitted.
With regard to this rule, E should read as follows:
one of Kirchoff's laws THAT was an observation about electric current, first made in 1845, and THAT is now included in virtually every textbook of elementary physics.

Eliminate E.
Dear GMATGuru

I agree with about the parallelism of connecting extended 'that' clause. But I wonder if this rule was violated in any official question that you came across. If yes, Can you cite any official question that second 'that' was omitted?

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Offhand, I cannot cite an official SC that violates the rule discussed above.

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