Answer is D
I first went with B but then later realized that the comparison is made between the tradition of non-theodicean and the religious adherence generated by theodicean societies which is not correct. And this is made clear in option D.
Knewton Challenge, 1/21/11 (Max Weber)
prac wrote:is it BAdamKnewton wrote:Hey everyone,
Here's the Knewton Verbal Challenge question for Friday, 1/21. Once you've looked it over, reply to this thread with your answer and an explanation for how you got it. Just like yesterday, I'll choose the best explanation at 11 pm EST, and the daily winner will get free access to the Beat the GMAT Practice Questions!
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Question 3.
Max Weber claimed that the traditions that theodicean societies, civilizations in which people feel a need to reconcile the imperfections of the world with a "perfect" divinity, develop are more likely to result in religious adherence than are those that non-theodicean societies develop.
(A) are those that non-theodicean societies develop
(B) what non-theodicean societies develop
(C) non-theodicean societies' development would
(D) non-theodicean societies' traditions do
(E) traditions of non-theodicean societies
My answer is 'D' because we have to compare what the tradition of theodicean societies does with that of what non-theodicean societies does.We should use parallelism.Hence D is the correct answer.
My pick is E. You are comparing traditions that societies develop. So ideally the answer should have been : are more likely to result in religious adherence than those developed by non-theodicean societies.
A> are those that non-theodicean societies develop
Are is out of place and incorrect.
B> what non-theodicean societies develop
Misses the fact that we are comparing Traditions, end up comparing traditions with development
C> non-theodicean societies' development would
Sentence becomes "X is more likely that Y would". incorrect would requires a quantification like WHAT
D> non-theodicean societies' traditions do
In the first half, traditions developed by A is what is being compared against those developed by B.
In this sentence, we end up comparing traditions developed by A with what B can do
E> traditions of non-theodicean societies
Correct Answer, has the right comparison elements.
A> are those that non-theodicean societies develop
Are is out of place and incorrect.
B> what non-theodicean societies develop
Misses the fact that we are comparing Traditions, end up comparing traditions with development
C> non-theodicean societies' development would
Sentence becomes "X is more likely that Y would". incorrect would requires a quantification like WHAT
D> non-theodicean societies' traditions do
In the first half, traditions developed by A is what is being compared against those developed by B.
In this sentence, we end up comparing traditions developed by A with what B can do
E> traditions of non-theodicean societies
Correct Answer, has the right comparison elements.
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Although today's question was significantly harder than yesterday's (for you), tonight's task of picking a winner is significantly easier than yesterday (for me), because only one of you got it right. For the record, the correct answer is A, and the winner is aspirant_gmat.
Everyone was correct in noticing that there is a Comparisons issue here. We need to compare "traditions" to "traditions." (B) leaves this unclear and (C) is a straightforward error, because it erroneously compares "traditions" to "development."
In (E), we have to make sure that the grammar, not just the logic, tells us what the correct comparison is. Consider the following example sentence:
"I like beer more than you."
Does this mean "I like beer more than you like beer" or "I like beer more than I like you?" It's unclear. "you" could be parallel to "beer" OR it could be parallel to "I." And, while the first meaning is more likely on the GMAT, I can certainly think of a number of people whom I do not like as much as I like beer
So, this is the problem with E. How do we know, from the grammatical structure alone, whether it's
Max Weber claimed that the traditions that theodicean societies, civilizations in which people feel a need to reconcile the imperfections of the world with a "perfect" divinity, develop are more likely to result in religious adherence than traditions of non-theodicean societies
or
Max Weber claimed that the traditions that theodicean societies, civilizations in which people feel a need to reconcile the imperfections of the world with a "perfect" divinity, develop are more likely to result in religious adherence than traditions of non-theodicean societies
? We can't know, and therefore (E) is wrong.
What about (D)? Well, now we're going to look more closely at exactly what the first part of the comparison (the non-underlined part) is, and as some of you pointed out, we ignore the modifying clause set off by commas. Let's just read the sentence after the "that" and without the modifying phrase and simplifying the unimportant words in the comparison:
Most of you thought that the word "are" made the Comparison wrong in (A). This is incorrect. We are switching the order of the subject/verb in the second part of the comparison, but the order isn't important: what matters is that it's the exact same subject-verb structure. Consider this example sentence:
The students worked far harder on the question than did their teacher.
This is a CORRECT parallel comparison. "The students worked" is parallel to "did their teacher" -- the order is different, but still parallel.
So, in the sentence, which is correct as written, I'll highlight the relevant parallel parts, to show that (A) is, in fact, correct:
Max Weber claimed that the traditions that theodicean societies, civilizations in which people feel a need to reconcile the imperfections of the world with a "perfect" divinity, develop are more likely to result in religious adherence than are those that non-theodicean societies develop.
Where the blue construction is parallel to the green construction, and "those" properly stands in for "traditions" in the second clause, with parallel verb forms ("are") and parallel modifying clauses ("that...develop").
Kudos also to jaymw, whose explanation is terrific and who really gets to the important core of most of the answer choices, but nevertheless picked the wrong answer -- I still recommend reading his explanation above. Also kudos to hitesh888, who correctly selected A, but gave no explanation.
Not only is this a hard question, but GMAT test-takers are always less confident picking (A) when it's the correct answer. Remember, when (A) is the answer, it will never be a "good" sentence that you're happy with as soon as you read it. This would be too easy! But just because it seems wrong doesn't mean it is wrong.
Congratulations to aspirant_gmat, whose excellent explanation (far shorter than mine) is below. The Knewton Verbal Challenge Week continues on Monday, so have a great weekend, and stay tuned on Monday morning at 9am EST for the next challenge question, and your next opportunity to win!
GO JETS!
Everyone was correct in noticing that there is a Comparisons issue here. We need to compare "traditions" to "traditions." (B) leaves this unclear and (C) is a straightforward error, because it erroneously compares "traditions" to "development."
In (E), we have to make sure that the grammar, not just the logic, tells us what the correct comparison is. Consider the following example sentence:
"I like beer more than you."
Does this mean "I like beer more than you like beer" or "I like beer more than I like you?" It's unclear. "you" could be parallel to "beer" OR it could be parallel to "I." And, while the first meaning is more likely on the GMAT, I can certainly think of a number of people whom I do not like as much as I like beer
So, this is the problem with E. How do we know, from the grammatical structure alone, whether it's
Max Weber claimed that the traditions that theodicean societies, civilizations in which people feel a need to reconcile the imperfections of the world with a "perfect" divinity, develop are more likely to result in religious adherence than traditions of non-theodicean societies
or
Max Weber claimed that the traditions that theodicean societies, civilizations in which people feel a need to reconcile the imperfections of the world with a "perfect" divinity, develop are more likely to result in religious adherence than traditions of non-theodicean societies
? We can't know, and therefore (E) is wrong.
What about (D)? Well, now we're going to look more closely at exactly what the first part of the comparison (the non-underlined part) is, and as some of you pointed out, we ignore the modifying clause set off by commas. Let's just read the sentence after the "that" and without the modifying phrase and simplifying the unimportant words in the comparison:
The word "do" in (D) harkens back to "develop," which is a distortion; the traditions aren't the subject of the verb "develop," but in fact the object. Furthermore, "do" is NOT parallel to "are likely to result." If you're going to use "do" in a comparison, you have to be able to repeat the entire verb after "do" for it to work. Could we say "...than non-theodicean societies' traditions do likely to result"? Definitely not. Lastly, (D) distorts the meaning, and in fact so do (C) and (E): the traditions are not so much "of" non-theodicean societies as they are developed by them....traditions that theodicean societies develop are more likely to result ... than ______
Most of you thought that the word "are" made the Comparison wrong in (A). This is incorrect. We are switching the order of the subject/verb in the second part of the comparison, but the order isn't important: what matters is that it's the exact same subject-verb structure. Consider this example sentence:
The students worked far harder on the question than did their teacher.
This is a CORRECT parallel comparison. "The students worked" is parallel to "did their teacher" -- the order is different, but still parallel.
So, in the sentence, which is correct as written, I'll highlight the relevant parallel parts, to show that (A) is, in fact, correct:
Max Weber claimed that the traditions that theodicean societies, civilizations in which people feel a need to reconcile the imperfections of the world with a "perfect" divinity, develop are more likely to result in religious adherence than are those that non-theodicean societies develop.
Where the blue construction is parallel to the green construction, and "those" properly stands in for "traditions" in the second clause, with parallel verb forms ("are") and parallel modifying clauses ("that...develop").
Kudos also to jaymw, whose explanation is terrific and who really gets to the important core of most of the answer choices, but nevertheless picked the wrong answer -- I still recommend reading his explanation above. Also kudos to hitesh888, who correctly selected A, but gave no explanation.
Not only is this a hard question, but GMAT test-takers are always less confident picking (A) when it's the correct answer. Remember, when (A) is the answer, it will never be a "good" sentence that you're happy with as soon as you read it. This would be too easy! But just because it seems wrong doesn't mean it is wrong.
Congratulations to aspirant_gmat, whose excellent explanation (far shorter than mine) is below. The Knewton Verbal Challenge Week continues on Monday, so have a great weekend, and stay tuned on Monday morning at 9am EST for the next challenge question, and your next opportunity to win!
GO JETS!
aspirant_gmat wrote:Max Weber claimed that the traditions that theodicean societies, civilizations in which people feel a need to reconcile the imperfections of the world with a "perfect" divinity, develop are more likely to result in religious adherence than are those that non-theodicean societies develop.
(A) are those that non-theodicean societies develop
(B) what non-theodicean societies develop
(C) non-theodicean societies' development would
(D) non-theodicean societies' traditions do
(E) traditions of non-theodicean societies
I think the author wants to compare 'the traditions that theodicean societies develop' with 'the traditions that non-theodicean societies develop'.
So one of the strongest contenders, E (traditions of non-theodicean societies) is out because it misses 'develop'.
B) what non-theodicean societies develop
'what'- doesn't refer to traditions, so B is out.
C) non-theodicean societies' development would
Here, 'non-theodicean societies' development' is being compared with 'the traditions', So C is out.
D) non-theodicean societies' traditions do
Awkward construction.
Now between B and A, I think A is a better option:
The sentence can be rewritten as -
Max Weber claimed that
the traditions that theodicean societies, <X> , develop are
more likely <to result in religious adherence> than
are those<traditions> that non-theodicean societies develop.
Here the comparison is between 'the traditions that theodicean societies develop' and 'those<traditions> that non-theodicean societies develop', and the sentence structure is proper(X are more likely to do<something> than are Z).
Answer: A
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Hi Adam,
Thanks very much for choosing my explanation for the question.
Since when can I start using the 'Beat The GMAT Practice Question'?
Thanks very much for choosing my explanation for the question.
Since when can I start using the 'Beat The GMAT Practice Question'?
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A ...imo
the traditions that non-theo develop are more likely than are those that non-theodicean societies develop.
the traditions that non-theo develop are more likely than are those that non-theodicean societies develop.
Max Weber claimed that the traditions that theodicean societies, civilizations in which people feel a need to reconcile the imperfections of the world with a "perfect" divinity, develop are more likely to result in religious adherence than are those that non-theodicean societies develop.
Before answering the question neglect the red part.
(A) are those that non-theodicean societies develop Wrong "are" doesnt make any sense here
(B) what non-theodicean societies develop Wrong doesnt say anything about traditions ( violates parallelism)
(C) non-theodicean societies' development would Wrong doesnt say anything about traditions ( violates parallelism)
(D) non-theodicean societies' traditions do Wrong we are comparing traditions not socities
(E) traditions of non-theodicean societies Right
Before answering the question neglect the red part.
(A) are those that non-theodicean societies develop Wrong "are" doesnt make any sense here
(B) what non-theodicean societies develop Wrong doesnt say anything about traditions ( violates parallelism)
(C) non-theodicean societies' development would Wrong doesnt say anything about traditions ( violates parallelism)
(D) non-theodicean societies' traditions do Wrong we are comparing traditions not socities
(E) traditions of non-theodicean societies Right
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the main sentence should be " the traditions.....develop are more likely to result in religious adherence than ..."AdamKnewton wrote:Hey everyone,
Here's the Knewton Verbal Challenge question for Friday, 1/21. Once you've looked it over, reply to this thread with your answer and an explanation for how you got it. Just like yesterday, I'll choose the best explanation at 11 pm EST, and the daily winner will get free access to the Beat the GMAT Practice Questions!
Again, congrats to yesterday's winner, hja379!
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Question 3.
Max Weber claimed that the traditions that theodicean societies, civilizations in which people feel a need to reconcile the imperfections of the world with a "perfect" divinity, develop are more likely to result in religious adherence than are those that non-theodicean societies develop.
(A) are those that non-theodicean societies develop
(B) what non-theodicean societies develop
(C) non-theodicean societies' development would
(D) non-theodicean societies' traditions do
(E) traditions of non-theodicean societies
E works
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