I Suck at Probability need desperate help

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by pravin123 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:47 am
67/91

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by daniellemw » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:59 am
I figured the probability of there being 1/3 men and subtracted that from 1:

P(1st pick being a man): 10/15
P(2nd pick being a man): 9/14
P(3rd pick being a man): 8/13

10/15*9/14*8/13 = 24/91

1-24/91 = 67/91

Is this not a good approach? I want to make sure I didn't get this correct "by accident" :)

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by Jim@StratusPrep » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:05 am
One thing to add... This is a very difficult problem in the context of the GMAT, definitely not one the you MUST get right in order to get a 700+ score. You want to spend most of your time making sure you get the medium to medium-hard questions right at a 90-95% clip and you will be in good shape.
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by mparakala » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:36 am
so, according to the question: Men= 2/3 * 15 =10
women = 1/3 *15 = 5

we need at least 2/3 men of the 12 jurors selected. Therefore, 2/3 *12 = 8. so, 8, 9 or 10 men out of the total 12 selected (15C12).
respectively, women must be 4, 3 or 2 out of the total 12 selected (15C12)................. use (+) for "OR" and (x) for "AND"...................
=> 10C8 * 5C4 + 10C9 * 5C3 + 10C10 * 5C2 divided by 15C12
.. ans: 67/91 (D)

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by mparakala » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:03 am
jury of 12 to be selected from a pool of 15 = 15 C 12

jury pool consists of 2/3 * 15 = 10 MEN and 1/3*15 = 5 WOMEN. Out of this the selected jury must consist of greater than or equal to 2/3*12 = 8 MEN.

=> 8 men and 4 women (or) 9 men and 3 women (or) 10 men and 2 women
=> (10C8 x 5C4+ 10C9 x 5C3 + 10C10 * 5C2) / 15C12
= 67/91

Ans: [D]

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by rajeshsinghgmat » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:26 pm
It comes after C and before E.

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by rajeshsinghgmat » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:38 pm
I D(id) it.
67/91

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by ddongre » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:03 am
I could solve it in arround 10 min.

basically totally there are 15 (10 men + 5 women as mentioned)member out of that 12 chosen then toal ways 15c12.
now to get atleast 2/3 of member it means total men selected in group should be 8 or 9 or 10(why 10- as total to men are only there), total ways - 10c8*5c4 + 10c9*5c3 + 10c10*5c2.(to simplify we have one property i.e. n c r = n c n-r)

Solving this stuff we get 67/91 as the correct answser.

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by confusedSoul730 » Thu May 16, 2013 3:57 am
took 3mins but i solved this one...finally! :)

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by petrifiedbutstanding » Tue May 28, 2013 11:30 pm
Stuart Kovinsky wrote:
Kaunteya wrote:If a jury of 12 people is to be selected randomly from a pool of 15 potential jurors, and the jury pool consists of 2/3 men and 1/3 women, what is the probability that the jury will comprise at least 2/3 men?
a. 24/91
b. 5/91
c. 2/3
d. 67/91
e. 84/91

Very similiar to the last problem that I posted but still haven't figured out how to solve these. If someone can please guide that I would really appreciate it. If you could solve this one, could you please solve the other one I posted titled: Combination and Permutation Manhattan. Thanks again guys.

Kaunteya
If 2/3 are men, we have 10 men and 5 women.

We want to know the probability that at LEAST 2/3 of the people actually selected will be men. In other words, that at least 8 out of the 12 jury members will be men.

There are three scenarios in which this could happen:

8 men and 4 women;

9 men and 3 women; and

10 men and 2 women.

Let's see how many different ways we can make each of these occur.

There are 10 men total, so there are 10C8 different groups of 8 men. There are 5 women, so there are 5C4 different groups of 4 women.

Therefore, scenario 1 has 10C8 * 5C4 = 10!/8!2! * 5!/4!1! = 45 * 5 = 225 possible juries.

For scenario 2, we have 10C9 * 5C3 = 10!/9!1! * 5!/3!2! = 10 * 10 = 100 possible juries.

For scenario 3, we have 10C10 * 5C2 = 10!/10!0! * 5!/2!3! = 1 * 10 = 10 possible juries.

[remember, 0!=1]

Now, since this is a probability question, we we want to use the probability formula.

Probability = #desired outcomes / total # of possible outcomes.

We've already calculated the # of desired outcomes: 225 + 100 + 10 = 335 juries with at least 8 men on them.

The total # of possible outcomes is the total # of possible juries, which is simply 15C12 = 15!/12!3! = 15*14*13/3*2*1 = 5*7*13 = lots, so let's reduce instead!

So:

335/5*7*13 = 67/7*13 = 67/91

choose (d).

Let's also look at this question from a strategic guessing point of view.

2/3 of the jury pool are men. Let's eliminate (c) 2/3, because that's way too easy.

Now we have a big split among the remaining choices. (a) and (b) are both very small (less than 1/3) and (d) and (e) are both big (more than 2/3). Since 2/3 of the jury pool are men, does it make any sense that there would be a small probability that 2/3 of the actual jury will be men too? Of course not, so (a) and (b) don't really make sense. So, if we're guessing, choose (d) or (e). (Further, we predict that the answer should be a bit more than 2/3 - (e) really seems too big, so (d) looks like the best guess.)

Never discount the power of strategic guessing, especially on really time consuming questions!
This is a really good explanation for Probability dummies.. :)

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by ganeshrkamath » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:07 pm
Kaunteya wrote:If a jury of 12 people is to be selected randomly from a pool of 15 potential jurors, and the jury pool consists of 2/3 men and 1/3 women, what is the probability that the jury will comprise at least 2/3 men?
a. 24/91
b. 5/91
c. 2/3
d. 67/91
e. 84/91

Very similiar to the last problem that I posted but still haven't figured out how to solve these. If someone can please guide that I would really appreciate it. If you could solve this one, could you please solve the other one I posted titled: Combination and Permutation Manhattan. Thanks again guys.

Kaunteya
For there to be at least 2/3 men, there should be 0 to 4 women.
So find the cases in which there are 5 women : 10C7 (7 men from 10)
Sample space = 15C12
So probability that there will not be at least 2/3 men = 10C7/15C12 = 10C3/15C3 = 72/273
So the required probability = 1 - 72/273 = 201/273 = 67/91

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by gemmox » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:34 am
Found the strategic reasoning really useful! For me, it made the workings out a lot more straight forward.

I just hope that when it comes to test day I see the stratgic routes too! :!: :!: :!:

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by Mathsbuddy » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:20 am
If a jury of 12 people is to be selected randomly from a pool of 15 potential jurors, and the jury pool consists of 2/3 men and 1/3 women, what is the probability that the jury will comprise at least 2/3 men?
a. 24/91
b. 5/91
c. 2/3
d. 67/91
e. 84/91

Jury:
2/3 of 12 = 8 men
1/3 of 12 = 4 women

Jury pool:
2/3 of 15 = 10 men
1/3 of 15 = 5 women

Therefore success requires that 2 men and 1 women are not selected.

So to choose these 3 people instead would create an equivalent probability (to that required by the question).

Options:
p(MMF)= 10/15 * 9/14 * 5/13 = 15/91
p(MFM)= 15/91
p(FMM)= 15/91

p(A or B or C) = p(A) + p(B) + p(B) = 3 * 15/91 = 45/91

Can anyone identify the flaw in this logic?

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by Mathsbuddy » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:27 am
Mathsbuddy wrote:If a jury of 12 people is to be selected randomly from a pool of 15 potential jurors, and the jury pool consists of 2/3 men and 1/3 women, what is the probability that the jury will comprise at least 2/3 men?
a. 24/91
b. 5/91
c. 2/3
d. 67/91
e. 84/91

Jury:
2/3 of 12 = 8 men
1/3 of 12 = 4 women

Jury pool:
2/3 of 15 = 10 men
1/3 of 15 = 5 women

Therefore success requires that 2 men and 1 women are not selected.

So to choose these 3 people instead would create an equivalent probability (to that required by the question).

Options:
p(MMF)= 10/15 * 9/14 * 5/13 = 15/91
p(MFM)= 15/91
p(FMM)= 15/91

p(A or B or C) = p(A) + p(B) + p(B) = 3 * 15/91 = 45/91

Can anyone identify the flaw in this logic?
Just spotted it! The question said "AT LEAST 2/3 men", so we need to include:

MFF, FFM, FMF -> p(either of these) = 3 * (10/15 * 5/14 * 4/13) = 20/91
and FFF with p = 5/15 * 4/14 * 3/13 = 2/91

So total probability = (45 + 20 + 2)/91 = 67/91

Phew!!!

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by sweetsugar_xox » Wed May 28, 2014 5:36 am
Hi, I'm new to the site and cannot figure out what the calculation is when an ! appears in a math problem as it does below:

Therefore, scenario 1 has 10C8 * 5C4 = 10!/8!2! * 5!/4!1! = 45 * 5 = 225 possible juries.

For scenario 2, we have 10C9 * 5C3 = 10!/9!1! * 5!/3!2! = 10 * 10 = 100 possible juries.

For scenario 3, we have 10C10 * 5C2 = 10!/10!0! * 5!/2!3! = 1 * 10 = 10 possible juries.

[remember, 0!=1]


Google calculator can solve the problem, but won't explain the what the calculation actually is, so that's not helpful.
Could someone please explain and then elaborate on the example above?

Thank you!