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I saw one question in MGMAT that tests this pricipleTestluv wrote:Hi Raghava,raghavakumar85 wrote:Well, I can't bet on itTestluv wrote:If you think the second bold statement is the conclusion, then what do you think is the evidence that supports it?raghavakumar85 wrote:IMO B (may be after i saw the answer)
Observe the words carefully. "The answer is yes, since............" Doesn't it mean that it is the content of the conclusion?
Also the THE ANSWER IS YES is just an answer for a question unstated in the argument, but not the conclusion IMO.
Note that E was reported as the OA by the original poster. Typos (even in the OG) have been known to happen. Also, mjjjking's explanation above is very nice.
The correct answer is clearly E. I would be willing to bet a lot of money on it.
Suppose in an argument it is stated that " Because it is X, it is Y" where X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Same statement when re-structured can be stated as " It is Y because it is X" where again X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Am i right?
not quite. All people living in Toronto are living in Canada. That is to say, because they live in Toronto, they necessarily live in Canada.
Does that mean that all people who live in Canada live in Toronto?
What you are actually talking about in the above is conditional statements (if-then statements).
if x then y does NOT establish that if y then x.
if x then y does establish that if no y, then no x.
At any rate, this does not get tested on the GMAT.
I assume you are asking in attempt to assert that the last sentence's being the conclusion can theoretically be supported by the ideas that preceded it?
The word "since" will ALWAYS signal evidence and not conclusion. (Just as it does in everyday speech.)
And the "content of the conclusion" must be interpreted as "the conclusion." If it were to be interepreted as something else, the question would lose its objectivity, and would be ambiguous. GMAT goes through great pains to remove ambiguity and to ensure that there is only one logically supportable and correct interpretation of every phrase used. (That, in fact, is the main reason the test costs so much to take).
Yes, I have seen some OG questions testing the distinction between sufficiency and necessity. They are not common but they do exist. In fact, the tiger question posted on this forum a few days ago was testing this concept.heshamelaziry wrote:I saw one question in MGMAT that tests this pricipleTestluv wrote:Hi Raghava,raghavakumar85 wrote:Well, I can't bet on itTestluv wrote:If you think the second bold statement is the conclusion, then what do you think is the evidence that supports it?raghavakumar85 wrote:IMO B (may be after i saw the answer
Observe the words carefully. "The answer is yes, since............" Doesn't it mean that it is the content of the conclusion?
Also the THE ANSWER IS YES is just an answer for a question unstated in the argument, but not the conclusion IMO.
Note that E was reported as the OA by the original poster. Typos (even in the OG) have been known to happen. Also, mjjjking's explanation above is very nice.
The correct answer is clearly E. I would be willing to bet a lot of money on it.
Suppose in an argument it is stated that " Because it is X, it is Y" where X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Same statement when re-structured can be stated as " It is Y because it is X" where again X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Am i right?
not quite. All people living in Toronto are living in Canada. That is to say, because they live in Toronto, they necessarily live in Canada.
Does that mean that all people who live in Canada live in Toronto?
What you are actually talking about in the above is conditional statements (if-then statements).
if x then y does NOT establish that if y then x.
if x then y does establish that if no y, then no x.
At any rate, this does not get tested on the GMAT.
I assume you are asking in attempt to assert that the last sentence's being the conclusion can theoretically be supported by the ideas that preceded it?
The word "since" will ALWAYS signal evidence and not conclusion. (Just as it does in everyday speech.)
And the "content of the conclusion" must be interpreted as "the conclusion." If it were to be interepreted as something else, the question would lose its objectivity, and would be ambiguous. GMAT goes through great pains to remove ambiguity and to ensure that there is only one logically supportable and correct interpretation of every phrase used. (That, in fact, is the main reason the test costs so much to take).
Yes, actually this is correct. The first time I had read this I thought Raghava was reversing causation...(because that is exactly what one would have to do in order to think that the second bold statement of this passage was conclusion).raghavakumar85 wrote:Well, I can't bet on itTestluv wrote:If you think the second bold statement is the conclusion, then what do you think is the evidence that supports it?raghavakumar85 wrote:IMO B (may be after i saw the answer
Observe the words carefully. "The answer is yes, since............" Doesn't it mean that it is the content of the conclusion?
Also the THE ANSWER IS YES is just an answer for a question unstated in the argument, but not the conclusion IMO.
Note that E was reported as the OA by the original poster. Typos (even in the OG) have been known to happen. Also, mjjjking's explanation above is very nice.
The correct answer is clearly E. I would be willing to bet a lot of money on it.
Suppose in an argument it is stated that " Because it is X, it is Y" where X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Same statement when re-structured can be stated as " It is Y because it is X" where again X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Am i right?
The causation does not change just because we are changing the sentence structure. If I had said "It is X, because it is Y" as " Because it is X, it is Y" then the meaning and the causation of sentence would have changed. 
The question in OG12 is a different version. Some entity took the text of the OG question, emboldened different statements, and asked a different question. (This would be grounds for copyright infringement!)bikash123 wrote:the question is from OG 12 and the answer is B
The correct answer for this question is E - as identified by most people on this post.Testluv wrote:If you think the second bold statement is the conclusion, then what do you think is the evidence that supports it?raghavakumar85 wrote:IMO B (may be after i saw the answer
Observe the words carefully. "The answer is yes, since............" Doesn't it mean that it is the content of the conclusion?
Also the THE ANSWER IS YES is just an answer for a question unstated in the argument, but not the conclusion IMO.
Note that E was reported as the OA by the original poster. Typos (even in the OG) have been known to happen. Also, mjjjking's explanation above is very nice.
The correct answer is clearly E. I would be willing to bet a lot of money on it.
Sir Ron,lunarpower wrote:you can do most boldface questions with the following 3-point procedure:
1) FIND THE CONCLUSION OF THE PASSAGE IN SIMPLE TERMS
in this case, the conclusion is "yes, delta's operations now use less fossil fuel."
2) JUDGE WHETHER THE BOLDFACE PARTS CHALLENGE, SUPPORT, OR ACTUALLY ARE THE CONCLUSION
no need to be more subtle than this, at least at first.
in this case, both boldface parts are PRO-conclusion. neither one of them actually IS the conclusion.
3) SELECT THE APPROPRIATE ANSWER CHOICE
(a) is wrong because it says boldface #1 is the conclusion.
(b) is wrong because it says boldface #2 is the conclusion.
in (c) both parts are wrong; #1 isn't anti-conclusion, and #2 isn't the conclusion.
in (d) both parts are wrong; neither #1 nor #2 is anti-conclusion.
(e) correctly points out that both #1 and #2 are pro-conclusion, but that neither is the actual conclusion.
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