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100 points for $49 worth of Veritas practice GMATs FREE VERITAS PRACTICE GMAT EXAMS Earn 10 Points Per Post Earn 10 Points Per Thanks Earn 10 Points Per Upvote ## After 12 hours, hostage ##### This topic has 2 expert replies and 27 member replies Goto page Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts Joined 24 Nov 2009 Posted: 163 messages Followed by: 4 members Upvotes: 13 Test Date: 7/8 Target GMAT Score: 760 GMAT Score: 660 venmic wrote: in this sentence 2) involving - ruled this one out becuase involving starts in past continues in present and were is used in the other part please explain With tense issues(although this technically isn't one) you have to look at the meaning and not just follow a rule of thumb stating not to change tenses. Involving is not a verb in choice E, it's a participle, thus it does not have a tense. The robbery itself is "involving" bank robbers and hostages, whether the robbery is actually still going on or not, you get what I'm saying(although again, there's no tense issue here)? So in that sense the sentence makes sense, so you can't eliminate any answer choices with "involving". _________________ I'm not bipolar...I'm bi-winning!! Newbie | Next Rank: 10 Posts Joined 28 Apr 2011 Posted: 7 messages Test Date: 08-Sep-2011 Target GMAT Score: 740 I chose 'D'. Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts Joined 25 Aug 2011 Posted: 101 messages I also think that the answer should be option D though i was confused between D and E. Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts Joined 15 Mar 2010 Posted: 268 messages Upvotes: 13 Here if you see both the sentences are in past tense. and therefore involved is better than involving. Guys, am i correct here. Experts please respond. Brian@VeritasPrep wrote: Hey guys, I can't see where D is "wrong", so this may not be a perfect question. I'd say that, if anything, there's a pretty good argument for D in that "that" clearly modifies "the situation", whereas "involving" could theoretically correspond to the negotiators (the negotiators involved the hostages and robbers in solving the situation). If you made that decision (D over E because of the modification of "the situation"), I'd say you're thinking the right way. The only justification I could see for E is "brevity", but that rationale typically belies another true error that lends itself to a longer, more cumbersome sentence. I don't think D really does that... _________________ Restlessness and discontent are the first necessities of progress.--Thomas A. Edison If you find this post helpful, let me know by clicking thanks above Legendary Member Joined 23 Dec 2011 Posted: 626 messages Followed by: 10 members Upvotes: 31 Test Date: June Target GMAT Score: 750 IMO (E) _________________ Follow your passion, Success as perceived by others shall follow you Legendary Member Joined 03 Nov 2011 Posted: 1665 messages Followed by: 70 members Upvotes: 165 Target GMAT Score: 750 The correct answer should be D. Please see the explanation below: Target2009 wrote: [size=13]After 12 hours, hostage negotiators finally resolved a situation involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their efforts were rewarded generously by the grateful bank management. A. involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their....Pronoun "their" not referring to the correct antecedent B. involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the hostages' .... Wrong mentioning of the hostages in the second sentence, logically it should be negotiators C. which involved three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their.....Pronoun "their" not referring to the correct antecedent D. that involved three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the negotiators' - Perfect sentence with 'that" modifying the situation. E. involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the negotiators.....the word "involving" should be preceded with a comma Source : Not from any CAT, came across in some trial material. _________________ Regards, Karthik The source of the questions that i post from JUNE 2013 is from KNEWTON ---If you find my post useful, click "Thank" --- ---Never stop until cracking GMAT--- Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts Joined 15 Mar 2010 Posted: 268 messages Upvotes: 13 Brian@VeritasPrep wrote: Hey guys, I can't see where D is "wrong", so this may not be a perfect question. I'd say that, if anything, there's a pretty good argument for D in that "that" clearly modifies "the situation", whereas "involving" could theoretically correspond to the negotiators (the negotiators involved the hostages and robbers in solving the situation). I may be wrong guys but if in choice E, involving modifies the negotiaters then there should be a comma before involving. Correct me if i am wrong with my understanding Ing modifier, Clause Can modify a whole clause , subject, action, and vice versa but subject + ing modifer wihtout comma correctly modifies the the subject and which makes E correct as it is correctly referring to the situation. Help pllease _________________ Restlessness and discontent are the first necessities of progress.--Thomas A. Edison If you find this post helpful, let me know by clicking thanks above Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts Joined 29 Apr 2012 Posted: 148 messages Upvotes: 8 Target2009 wrote: OA : E Please tell me what difference ";" made on your analysis for this sentence. r u sure its E, coz evn i think there shud b( , )b4 involving..!! Senior | Next Rank: 100 Posts Joined 15 May 2010 Posted: 57 messages Upvotes: 2 Target GMAT Score: 730+ Went for E. Came down to between D and E. Eliminated D on the point that it was wordy and that the situation was continuing till the point is was resolved, i.e. hence Involving. _________________ My attempt to capture my B-School Journey in a Blog : tranquilnomadgmat.blogspot.com There are no shortcuts to any place worth going. Senior | Next Rank: 100 Posts Joined 02 Feb 2012 Posted: 42 messages Followed by: 6 members Upvotes: 9 Test Date: July 2012 GMAT Score: 760 The answer should be (E). As for the distinction between (D) and (E), the issue of verb tense comes at play. the v-ing action (involving) sets the background whereas the main action in simple past (resolved) is on the foreground. The sentence focuses on the event -- hostage negotiators finally resolved a situation. But what is the situation? Okay, here I'm gonna provide background information: the situation involving bla bla. Therefore, the v-ing form in (E) is justified, whereas the past tense "involved" in (D) fails to clarify the temporal and logical links of these two events/actions, both in simple past. Here's an example sentence, courtesy of Ron OG-12 QUESTION 95, correct sentence as below: The peaks of a mountain range, acting like rocks in a streambed, produce ripples in the air flowing over them; the resulting flow pattern, with crests and troughs that remain stationary although the air that forms them is moving rapidly, is known as “standing waves.” See here for Ron's explanation: http://www.beatthegmat.com/the-peaks-of-a-mountain-range-t12830-15.html Also, regarding the point that Brian raised, "no comma + v-ing" form is a noun modifier that modifies the closest preceding noun,i.e."situation", so there's no problem in (E). "no comma + v-ing" is a noun modifier "comma + v-ing" is an adverbial modifier , unless there is no complete clause preceding it (e.g. an official sentence: "Neuroscientists, having amassed ... in the past 20 years, are now drawing solid conclusions ....") Target2009 wrote: After 12 hours, hostage negotiators finally resolved a situation involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their efforts were rewarded generously by the grateful bank management. A. involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their B. involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the hostages' C. which involved three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their D. that involved three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the negotiators' E. involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the negotiators' Source : Not from any CAT, came across in some trial material. Last edited by thulsy on Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:06 pm; edited 1 time in total Senior | Next Rank: 100 Posts Joined 02 Feb 2012 Posted: 42 messages Followed by: 6 members Upvotes: 9 Test Date: July 2012 GMAT Score: 760 Here is a similar problem testing "noun VERBing" vs. "noun that VERB": http://www.beatthegmat.com/united-states-air-force-officials-a-cannon-t65070.html Notice why in the above question "a cannon shooting dead chickens at airplanes has proved helpful" is wrong. You may want to check out "reduced relative clause" mentioned by niksworth. Junior | Next Rank: 30 Posts Joined 10 Aug 2010 Posted: 11 messages Upvotes: 1 IMO D In option D that correctly modifies the situation. Senior | Next Rank: 100 Posts Joined 01 Jul 2010 Posted: 31 messages Hi Brian, is it not true that we should avoid ing forms in GMAT unless the other options are just too bad. So when i have D i should stick to that instead of choosing E!! tx ### GMAT/MBA Expert GMAT Instructor Joined 22 Mar 2007 Posted: 613 messages Followed by: 64 members Upvotes: 171 GMAT Score: 790 I would be willing to bet that this is not an official question! _________________ Kevin Armstrong GMAT Instructor Gmatclasses Madrid Free GMAT Practice Test under Proctored Conditions! - Find a practice test near you or live and online in Kaplan's Classroom Anywhere environment. Register today! Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts Joined 20 Sep 2014 Posted: 164 messages Upvotes: 1 Target GMAT Score: 650 After 12 hours, hostage negotiators finally resolved a situation involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their efforts were rewarded generously by the grateful bank management. (A) involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their (B) involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the hostages' (C) which involved three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their (D) that involved three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the negotiators' (E) involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the negotiators' Why D is not right option? _________________ Hard work brings success! • 1 Hour Free BEAT THE GMAT EXCLUSIVE Available with Beat the GMAT members only code • Magoosh Study with Magoosh GMAT prep Available with Beat the GMAT members only code • Free Veritas GMAT Class Experience Lesson 1 Live Free Available with Beat the GMAT members only code • Free Trial & Practice Exam BEAT THE GMAT EXCLUSIVE Available with Beat the GMAT members only code • Get 300+ Practice Questions 25 Video lessons and 6 Webinars for FREE Available with Beat the GMAT members only code • 5-Day Free Trial 5-day free, full-access trial TTP Quant Available with Beat the GMAT members only code • FREE GMAT Exam Know how you'd score today for$0

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