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in this sentence

2) involving - ruled this one out becuase involving starts in past continues in present and were is used in the other part

please explain

With tense issues(although this technically isn't one) you have to look at the meaning and not just follow a rule of thumb stating not to change tenses.

Involving is not a verb in choice E, it's a participle, thus it does not have a tense. The robbery itself is "involving" bank robbers and hostages, whether the robbery is actually still going on or not, you get what I'm saying(although again, there's no tense issue here)? So in that sense the sentence makes sense, so you can't eliminate any answer choices with "involving".

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I chose 'D'.

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I also think that the answer should be option D though i was confused between D and E.

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Here if you see both the sentences are in past tense. and therefore involved is better than involving.

Guys, am i correct here. Experts please respond.


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I can't see where D is "wrong", so this may not be a perfect question. I'd say that, if anything, there's a pretty good argument for D in that "that" clearly modifies "the situation", whereas "involving" could theoretically correspond to the negotiators (the negotiators involved the hostages and robbers in solving the situation).

If you made that decision (D over E because of the modification of "the situation"), I'd say you're thinking the right way. The only justification I could see for E is "brevity", but that rationale typically belies another true error that lends itself to a longer, more cumbersome sentence. I don't think D really does that...

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IMO (E)

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The correct answer should be D. Please see the explanation below:

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[size=13]After 12 hours, hostage negotiators finally resolved a situation involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their efforts were rewarded generously by the grateful bank management.

A. involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their....Pronoun "their" not referring to the correct antecedent
B. involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the hostages' .... Wrong mentioning of the hostages in the second sentence, logically it should be negotiators
C. which involved three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their.....Pronoun "their" not referring to the correct antecedent
D. that involved three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the negotiators' - Perfect sentence with 'that" modifying the situation.
E. involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the negotiators.....the word "involving" should be preceded with a comma

Source : Not from any CAT, came across in some trial material.

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I can't see where D is "wrong", so this may not be a perfect question. I'd say that, if anything, there's a pretty good argument for D in that "that" clearly modifies "the situation", whereas "involving" could theoretically correspond to the negotiators (the negotiators involved the hostages and robbers in solving the situation).
I may be wrong guys but if in choice E, involving modifies the negotiaters then there should be a comma before involving.

Correct me if i am wrong with my understanding

Ing modifier, Clause Can modify a whole clause , subject, action, and vice versa but

subject + ing modifer wihtout comma correctly modifies the the subject and which makes E correct as it is correctly referring to the situation.

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Target2009 wrote:
OA : E
Please tell me what difference ";" made on your analysis for this sentence.
r u sure its E, coz evn i think there shud b( , )b4 involving..!!

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Went for E. Came down to between D and E. Eliminated D on the point that it was wordy and that the situation was continuing till the point is was resolved, i.e. hence Involving.

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The answer should be (E).

As for the distinction between (D) and (E), the issue of verb tense comes at play. the v-ing action (involving) sets the background whereas the main action in simple past (resolved) is on the foreground. The sentence focuses on the event -- hostage negotiators finally resolved a situation. But what is the situation? Okay, here I'm gonna provide background information: the situation involving bla bla. Therefore, the v-ing form in (E) is justified, whereas the past tense "involved" in (D) fails to clarify the temporal and logical links of these two events/actions, both in simple past.

Here's an example sentence, courtesy of Ron
OG-12 QUESTION 95, correct sentence as below:
The peaks of a mountain range, acting like rocks in a streambed, produce ripples in the air flowing over them; the resulting flow pattern, with crests and troughs that remain stationary although the air that forms them is moving rapidly, is known as “standing waves.”

See here for Ron's explanation: http://www.beatthegmat.com/the-peaks-of-a-mountain-range-t12830-15.html

Also, regarding the point that Brian raised, "no comma + v-ing" form is a noun modifier that modifies the closest preceding noun,i.e."situation", so there's no problem in (E).

"no comma + v-ing" is a noun modifier
"comma + v-ing" is an adverbial modifier
, unless there is no complete clause preceding it (e.g. an official sentence: "Neuroscientists, having amassed ... in the past 20 years, are now drawing solid conclusions ....")

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After 12 hours, hostage negotiators finally resolved a situation involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their efforts were rewarded generously by the grateful bank management.

A. involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their
B. involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the hostages'
C. which involved three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their
D. that involved three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the negotiators'
E. involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the negotiators'


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Here is a similar problem testing "noun VERBing" vs. "noun that VERB":
http://www.beatthegmat.com/united-states-air-force-officials-a-cannon-t65070.html

Notice why in the above question "a cannon shooting dead chickens at airplanes has proved helpful" is wrong. You may want to check out "reduced relative clause" mentioned by niksworth.

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IMO D
In option D that correctly modifies the situation.

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Hi Brian,

is it not true that we should avoid ing forms in GMAT unless the other options are just too bad. So when i have D i should stick to that instead of choosing E!!

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I would be willing to bet that this is not an official question!

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After 12 hours, hostage negotiators finally resolved a situation involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their efforts were rewarded generously by the grateful bank management.

(A) involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their
(B) involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the hostages'
(C) which involved three bank robbers and 35 hostages; their
(D) that involved three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the negotiators'
(E) involving three bank robbers and 35 hostages; the negotiators'
Why D is not right option? Sad

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