im confused. i eliminated A and chose C because it seemed as if 'they' in the last part of A pointed to 'the sighted people'.
where did i go wrong? i understand that A makes more sense in terms of tense.
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The "they" in A is okay.
Researchers have found that individuals who have been blind from birth <blah blah blah>, and that they <blah blah blah>.
The "comma and" indicates parallelism, and the two "that's" indicate what should be parallel: "individuals who have been blind from birth" and "they." So the "they" unambiguously refers to "individuals blind from birth," both logically and structurally.
Researchers have found that individuals who have been blind from birth <blah blah blah>, and that they <blah blah blah>.
The "comma and" indicates parallelism, and the two "that's" indicate what should be parallel: "individuals who have been blind from birth" and "they." So the "they" unambiguously refers to "individuals blind from birth," both logically and structurally.
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Ah - answer D inserts an "and"! Okay. I was just looking in the original sentence. I'll answer in that other thread.Quote:
Can you please look into the related issue at the below thread....here for kicking out D....OG says we need to have "that" after "and"....is it because the first part there is
that <verb>
second part does not start with <verb> after "and"
https://www.beatthegmat.com/uncontrolled ... tml#169856
Confused. Followed the link. The sentence does not contain the word "and" anywhere. Can you clarify / double-check the link?
Hi Stacey,
Can you please see the option D of the above link....there the word and is there....
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Yes...just to add what stacey said, as the Manhattan SC guide says....the pronoun in the second parallel clause refers to noun that is there in the first clauseStacey Koprince wrote:The "they" in A is okay.
Researchers have found that individuals who have been blind from birth <blah blah blah>, and that they <blah blah blah>.
The "comma and" indicates parallelism, and the two "that's" indicate what should be parallel: "individuals who have been blind from birth" and "they." So the "they" unambiguously refers to "individuals blind from birth," both logically and structurally.
here first that clause subject = Individuals ....
so second clause they(which act as subject) will refer to Individuals....
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hey Stacey
after "comma splice and" (, and)..we should have a new independent clause!!! which is not the case here..
please clarify, if you can get time out of your busy schedule
Researchers have found that individuals who have been blind from birth, and who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.
a. who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture
b. who thus never saw anyone gesturing, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, and that they will gesture
c. who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, as well as gesturing
d. thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, as well as gesturing
e. thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless to make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and to gesture
OA: A
after "comma splice and" (, and)..we should have a new independent clause!!! which is not the case here..
please clarify, if you can get time out of your busy schedule
Researchers have found that individuals who have been blind from birth, and who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.
a. who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture
b. who thus never saw anyone gesturing, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, and that they will gesture
c. who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, as well as gesturing
d. thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, as well as gesturing
e. thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless to make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and to gesture
OA: A
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IMO it is not that "comma + and" has to follow independent clause....panacea6565 wrote:hey Stacey
after "comma splice and" (, and)..we should have a new independent clause!!! which is not the case here..
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Researchers have found that individuals who have been blind from birth, and who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.
a. who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture
b. who thus never saw anyone gesturing, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, and that they will gesture
c. who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, as well as gesturing
d. thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, as well as gesturing
e. thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless to make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and to gesture
OA: A
The rule is that independent clause should follow "comma + and"....and not the vice versa....
in fact in many parallelism questions comma + and does not follow independent clause.
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goel's got it.
If you are trying to connect two independent clauses with "and," then you need to use that comma.
But that's not the ONLY circumstance in which you could see ", and" in a sentence.
If you are trying to connect two independent clauses with "and," then you need to use that comma.
But that's not the ONLY circumstance in which you could see ", and" in a sentence.
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Hey Stacey, Goel
it can be used anywhere
so this means, for "comma(,) and" there is no rule as such in gmatIMO it is not that "comma + and" has to follow independent clause....
The rule is that independent clause should follow "comma + and"....and not the vice versa....
in fact in many parallelism questions comma + and does not follow independent clause.
it can be used anywhere
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IMO There are some rules for comma + and...that are followed in GMAT...
IMO the best way to learn is Manhattan SC guide.
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can you please help. in finding those, i have soft copy - old and new , both...plz give me the page numbersgoelmohit2002 wrote:IMO There are some rules for comma + and...that are followed in GMAT...
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In the 4th edition SC guide....panacea6565 wrote:can you please help. in finding those, i have soft copy - old and new , both...plz give me the page numbersgoelmohit2002 wrote:IMO There are some rules for comma + and...that are followed in GMAT...
IMO the best way to learn is Manhattan SC guide.
Please read the parallelism and odds and evens chapter...
There these rules are there...
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If you have a soft copy, then either you have an illegal copy of our books or you have a copy of the Manhattan Review book. Manhattan Review is a different company. We do not release ManhattanGMAT books in soft copy.i have soft copy - old and new , both...plz give me the page numbers
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so this means, for "comma(,) and" there is no rule as such in gmat
it can be used anywhere
It's basically a one-way rule. If you are going to connect two independent clauses using "and" then you actually need "comma and."
But there are other circumstances in which you could have "comma and." For example:
She bought milk, bread, and cheese at the store. (list of three things)
She bought milk at the store, which just re-opened yesterday after a fire, and played tennis at the club. (the stuff after the "and" is not an independent clause, but the comma is necessary because it is enclosing the "which" modifying clause)
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i dont think, i have anything as such, which can be called illegal.. the soft copy called Manhattan Review - sentence correction guide..is what i have downloaded from Manhattan website only.