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How would you reason the second statement?

by rrobiinn » Tue May 29, 2012 8:42 pm
Is the average of n consecutive integers equal to 1?
(1) n is even.
(2) If S is the sum of the n consecutive integers, then 0 <s <n.

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by 1947 » Tue May 29, 2012 9:20 pm
avg = sum/no. of term
so avg = s/n
from 2 since s<n so s/n is not 1 SUFF

from 1 try numbers -2,-1 avg = -3/2
1,2,3,4 avg 10/4 so avg is not 1 SUFF

D should be ans
rrobiinn wrote:Is the average of n consecutive integers equal to 1?
(1) n is even.
(2) If S is the sum of the n consecutive integers, then 0 <s <n.
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by Anurag@Gurome » Wed May 30, 2012 3:07 am
rrobiinn wrote:Is the average of n consecutive integers equal to 1?
(1) n is even.
(2) If s is the sum of the n consecutive integers, then 0 < s < n.
Statement 1: Average of any even number of consecutive integers will always be the average of the central two numbers, i.e. a fraction. Hence, the average cannot be equal to 1.

Sufficient

Statement 2: Sum of n integers = s and 0 < s < n ---> 0 < s/n < 1
Hence, average of those n consecutive integers = s/n < 1

Sufficient

The correct answer is D.
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by rrobiinn » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:25 pm
Anurag@Gurome wrote:
rrobiinn wrote:Is the average of n consecutive integers equal to 1?
(1) n is even.
(2) If s is the sum of the n consecutive integers, then 0 < s < n.
Statement 1: Average of any even number of consecutive integers will always be the average of the central two numbers, i.e. a fraction. Hence, the average cannot be equal to 1.

Sufficient

Statement 2: Sum of n integers = s and 0 < s < n ---> 0 < s/n < 1
Hence, average of those n consecutive integers = s/n < 1

Sufficient

The correct answer is D.

Just above your post 1947 reasoned:

avg = sum/no. of term
so avg = s/n
from 2 since s<n so s/n is not 1 SUFF

from 1 try numbers -2,-1 avg = -3/2
1,2,3,4 avg 10/4 so avg is not 1 SUFF

D should be ans


* I understood his reasoning where yours has made it complex for me to understand. Could you make your explanation bit more easy to comprehend?

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by Anurag@Gurome » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:00 am
rrobiinn wrote:...yours has made it complex for me to understand. Could you make your explanation bit more easy to comprehend?
Let me try.
Statement 1: Average of any even number of consecutive integers will always be the average of the central two numbers, i.e. a fraction.

For example, say we have four consecutive integers: a, (a + 1), (a + 2), and (a + 3)
Average of this four consecutive integers = (4a + 6)/4 = (2a + 3)/2
Which is same as the average of central two numbers = [(a + 1) + (a + 2)]/2 = (2a + 3)/2 = (a + 1.5) --> A fraction

Let's take another example
Say we have ten consecutive integers: a, (a + 1), (a + 2), (a + 3), (a + 4), (a + 5), (a + 6), (a + 7), (a + 8), and (a + 9)
Average of this four consecutive integers = (10a + 45)/10 = (2a + 9)/2
Which is same as the average of central two numbers = [(a + 4) + (a + 5)]/2 = (2a + 9)/2 = (a + 4.5) --> A fraction

The average will always be a fraction as the sum of central two integers will always be odd as they are consecutive integers.


Hence, the average cannot be equal to 1.

Sufficient

Statement 2: Sum of n integers = s and 0 < s < n ---> 0 < s/n < 1

We know, s is less than n. Hence, the average, i.e. the ratio of s and n cannot be equal to n. This is just saying in words. I have shown it mathematically as 0 < s < n implies 0 < s/n < 1

Hence, average of those n consecutive integers = s/n < 1

Sufficient
I could've picked some number and shown that the statements do not help to conclude that average is not equal to 1 but that does not mean that they won't for any other set of numbers. If the question was "Is the average of n consecutive integers always equal to 1?" Then by picking some numbers and showing that average is not equal to 1, we could've concluded for sure that the average is not always equal to 1.

Picking number is great for showing exceptions or different scenarios but we can't pick number and prove some general case.
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by amit28it » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:11 am
The answer given by Anurag@Gurome I always love his style of explaining the problem and the answer is D as mentioned by him.
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by rrobiinn » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:11 am
Thanks for the excellent explanation.