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Honeybee n Yellow Jacket

Post Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:27 am
As contrasted with the honeybee, the yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom that can cause intense pain.

(A) As contrasted with the honeybee,

(8) In contrast to the honeybee's,

(C) Unlike the sting of the honeybee,

(D) Unlike that of the honeybee,

(E) Unlike the honeybee,

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Post Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:28 pm
Marty Murray wrote:
iMyself wrote:
Hi Expert,
I'm little bit confused about the structure of this sentence. As far I know if we use ‘unlike’ in the sentence, then it gives the opposite meaning of the specific noun.
If I say:
Unlike Robert, Mr. Smith is a (…………………..). In the bracket, I’ve to put something, which is not owned by Robert.
Example:
Unlike Robert, Mr. Smith is a (doctor).
>>>The sentence implies that Robert is not a doctor.

In the original sentence of this question, it says:
Unlike the honeybee, the yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom that can cause intense pain.
Now, we can separate this sentence with different parts.
1) The yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying.
This part says that “The honeybee can’t sting repeatedly without dying”. Is it true for honeybee, expert?
That is correct. The honeybee can sting just once, and dies after doing so.

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2) The yellow jacket carries a potent venom.
This part says that “The honeybee doesn’t carry a potent venom”. Is it true for honeybee, expert?
Thank you all.
This part is not correct, as the honeybee does carry a potent venom.

So the sentence as written does not make sense.

Nice catch.
Hi @Marty Murray,
I have a response in GMAT club in which an expert said that there is no mistake in this question pattern. But, you said, there is something wrong in this question pattern. Actually, I am totally in confused. Can you please give me more an explanation about this following link?

http://gmatclub.com/forum/as-contrasted-with-the-honeybee-the-yellow-jacket-can-sting-48372-20.html

Thank you...

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Post Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:29 am
iMyself wrote:
Hi Expert,
I'm little bit confused about the structure of this sentence. As far I know if we use ‘unlike’ in the sentence, then it gives the opposite meaning of the specific noun.
If I say:
Unlike Robert, Mr. Smith is a (…………………..). In the bracket, I’ve to put something, which is not owned by Robert.
Example:
Unlike Robert, Mr. Smith is a (doctor).
>>>The sentence implies that Robert is not a doctor.

In the original sentence of this question, it says:
Unlike the honeybee, the yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom that can cause intense pain.
Now, we can separate this sentence with different parts.
1) The yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying.
This part says that “The honeybee can’t sting repeatedly without dying”. Is it true for honeybee, expert?
That is correct. The honeybee can sting just once, and dies after doing so.

Quote:
2) The yellow jacket carries a potent venom.
This part says that “The honeybee doesn’t carry a potent venom”. Is it true for honeybee, expert?
Thank you all.
This part is not correct, as the honeybee does carry a potent venom.

So the sentence as written does not make sense.

Nice catch.

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Post Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:28 pm
Marty Murray wrote:
iMyself wrote:
Hi Expert,
I'm little bit confused about the structure of this sentence. As far I know if we use ‘unlike’ in the sentence, then it gives the opposite meaning of the specific noun.
If I say:
Unlike Robert, Mr. Smith is a (…………………..). In the bracket, I’ve to put something, which is not owned by Robert.
Example:
Unlike Robert, Mr. Smith is a (doctor).
>>>The sentence implies that Robert is not a doctor.

In the original sentence of this question, it says:
Unlike the honeybee, the yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom that can cause intense pain.
Now, we can separate this sentence with different parts.
1) The yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying.
This part says that “The honeybee can’t sting repeatedly without dying”. Is it true for honeybee, expert?
That is correct. The honeybee can sting just once, and dies after doing so.

Quote:
2) The yellow jacket carries a potent venom.
This part says that “The honeybee doesn’t carry a potent venom”. Is it true for honeybee, expert?
Thank you all.
This part is not correct, as the honeybee does carry a potent venom.

So the sentence as written does not make sense.

Nice catch.
Hi @Marty Murray,
I have a response in GMAT club in which an expert said that there is no mistake in this question pattern. But, you said, there is something wrong in this question pattern. Actually, I am totally in confused. Can you please give me more an explanation about this following link?

http://gmatclub.com/forum/as-contrasted-with-the-honeybee-the-yellow-jacket-can-sting-48372-20.html

Thank you...

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Post Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:29 am
iMyself wrote:
Hi Expert,
I'm little bit confused about the structure of this sentence. As far I know if we use ‘unlike’ in the sentence, then it gives the opposite meaning of the specific noun.
If I say:
Unlike Robert, Mr. Smith is a (…………………..). In the bracket, I’ve to put something, which is not owned by Robert.
Example:
Unlike Robert, Mr. Smith is a (doctor).
>>>The sentence implies that Robert is not a doctor.

In the original sentence of this question, it says:
Unlike the honeybee, the yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom that can cause intense pain.
Now, we can separate this sentence with different parts.
1) The yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying.
This part says that “The honeybee can’t sting repeatedly without dying”. Is it true for honeybee, expert?
That is correct. The honeybee can sting just once, and dies after doing so.

Quote:
2) The yellow jacket carries a potent venom.
This part says that “The honeybee doesn’t carry a potent venom”. Is it true for honeybee, expert?
Thank you all.
This part is not correct, as the honeybee does carry a potent venom.

So the sentence as written does not make sense.

Nice catch.

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Post Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:27 pm
unlike HB,YJ can sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom

Now lets simplify it a bit
unlike HB,YJ can sting repeatedly without dying(STRWD, say S) and carries a potent venom (CPV, say P)

If you have to show ALL possibilites( possible combinations of STRWD and PV), how will you show them?
SP
00--> not sting repeatedly without dying and not carries a potent venom
01--> not sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom
10--> sting repeatedly without dying and not carries a potent venom
11--> sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom
( note 0 means OFF and 1 means ON)
These are all the possible combinations of S and P( sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom)
Which combination out of above four refers to YJ?
Last one.

How do we refer the other three combinations of S and P ( sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom )
Other three combinations are Logical opposites of S and P.

Therefore,
unlike HB, YJ can sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom.

What are all possibilities for YJ?
and
What are all possibilities for HB?

All possibilities for YJ and HB:

there is only one possible combination for YJ,
BUT
there are three possible combinations for HB.

Possibilities for YJ
SP
00--> not sting repeatedly without dying and not carries a potent venom
01--> not sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom
10--> sting repeatedly without dying and not carries a potent venom
11--> sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom ( only this one is possible)

Possibilities for HB
SP
00--> not sting repeatedly without dying and not carries a potent venom
01--> not sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom
10--> sting repeatedly without dying and not carries a potent venom

11--> sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom
only Last one is not possible now. All first three are possible.

What does this mean?
What does that mean that All first three are possible for HB?
It means that of these three,
00--> not sting repeatedly without dying and not carries a potent venom
01--> not sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom
10--> sting repeatedly without dying and not carries a potent venom

Honey Bee(HB) has only ONE.


For Yello Jacket, there is only one possiblity (one possible combination)
BUT
for Honey Bee, there are three possibilities( three possible combinations)
Out of these three possibilities/possible combinations, HB actually is one.

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Post Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:23 pm
Official answer is not problematic.
If anything, it is PERFECT.
Not close to the perfect but PERFECT.
No Doubt about it.

If you need to get to the core then read on...

Your confusion deals with "opposite".

This official SC has contrast.

What are contrasts in essence?
They are "opposites".

Opposites in GMAT Verbal are never POLAR opposites.
They are ALWAYS LOGICAL opposites.

What you are doing?
From where your confusion stems?
You are viewing contrast as polar opposit whereas it ought to be viewed as logical opposite!


What does all this mean?

You need to know only one thing.
Polar opposite is not logical opposite!
That's it.
You need to know only this.

Now what is the difference between polar opposite and logical opposite?

lets have few examples...

What is the opposite of BLACK?
White.
White is polar opposite of BLACK.
However in GMAT SC, opposites are never polar opposites. Opposites are always LOGICAL opposites.
Logical opposite of BLACK is not BLACK and ,therefore, in GMAT the opposite of Black is NOT black

i.e,
Black
logical opposite is not Black
polar opposite is white.
However, in GMAT we have logical opposite, so opposite of black in GMAT is NOT black.

Similarly,
opposite of white is NOT white (to consider black opposite of white will be incorrect)
what are the possible values?
what are the possible opposites?
Red, yellow, purple, black, silver, golden, etc.
opposite of dry is NOT dry (to consider wet opposite of dry will be incorrect)
what are the possible opposites?
mild dry, moderately dry etc

Similarly, opposite of fine is NOT fine

opposite of rich is Not rich (to consider poor opposite of rich will be incorrect)
opposite of poor is Not poor (to consider rich opposite of poor will be incorrect)

Similary, opposite of and is Not and


Similarly, opposite of A and B is Not A and B



Mr. Smith is a doctor(D) and teacher(T)

If you have to show ALL possibilites( possible combinations of D and T), how will you show it?
DT
00--> not Doctor and not Teacher
01--> not Doctor and Teacher
10--> Doctor and not Teacher
11--> Doctor and Teacher
( note 0 means OFF and 1 means ON)
These are all the possible combinations of D and T ( Doctor and Teacher )

The statement,"Mr. Smith is a doctor(D) and teacher(T)" refers to which single combination?
Last one!

How do we refer the other three combinations of D and T ( Doctor and Teacher )
Other three combinations are Logical opposites of D and T

Therefore,
Unlike Mr Robert, Mr. Smith is a doctor(D) and teacher(T)
What are all possibilities for Mr Smith?
and
What are all possibilities for Mr Robert?


All possibilities for Mr Smith and Mr Robert:

there is only one possible combination for Mr. Smith,
BUT
there are three possible combinations for Mr. Robert.

Possibilities for Mr. Smith
DT
00--> not Doctor and not Teacher
01--> not Doctor and Teacher
10--> Doctor and not Teacher
11--> Doctor and Teacher (only this one is possible now)

Possibilities for Mr. Robert
DT
00--> not Doctor and not Teacher
01--> not Doctor and Teacher
10--> Doctor and not Teacher

11--> Doctor and Teacher
only Last one is not possible now. All first three are possible.

What does this mean?
What does that mean that All first three are possible?
It means that of these three,
00--> not Doctor and not Teacher
01--> not Doctor and Teacher
10--> Doctor and not Teacher

Mr. Robert is only ONE.

Just as Mr. Smith has only one combination, Mr. Robert has only one combination
However,
Mr Smith has also one possiblity
BUT
Mr Robert has three possibilities.( out of these three possibilities, he is actually one just as Mr Smith is one)

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iMyself wrote:
Marty Murray wrote:
iMyself wrote:
Hi Expert,
I'm little bit confused about the structure of this sentence. As far I know if we use ‘unlike’ in the sentence, then it gives the opposite meaning of the specific noun.
If I say:
Unlike Robert, Mr. Smith is a (…………………..). In the bracket, I’ve to put something, which is not owned by Robert.
Example:
Unlike Robert, Mr. Smith is a (doctor).
>>>The sentence implies that Robert is not a doctor.

In the original sentence of this question, it says:
Unlike the honeybee, the yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom that can cause intense pain.
Now, we can separate this sentence with different parts.
1) The yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying.
This part says that “The honeybee can’t sting repeatedly without dying”. Is it true for honeybee, expert?
That is correct. The honeybee can sting just once, and dies after doing so.

Quote:
2) The yellow jacket carries a potent venom.
This part says that “The honeybee doesn’t carry a potent venom”. Is it true for honeybee, expert?
Thank you all.
This part is not correct, as the honeybee does carry a potent venom.

So the sentence as written does not make sense.

Nice catch.
Hi @Marty Murray,
I have a response in GMAT club in which an expert said that there is no mistake in this question pattern. But, you said, there is something wrong in this question pattern. Actually, I am totally in confused. Can you please give me more an explanation about this following link?

http://gmatclub.com/forum/as-contrasted-with-the-honeybee-the-yellow-jacket-can-sting-48372-20.html

Thank you...
Hi @Ali Tariq,
May I know your opinion about my explanation about this sentence correction? Thank you.

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As contrasted with the honeybee, the yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom that can cause intense pain.

(A) As contrasted with the honeybee,

(8) In contrast to the honeybee's,

(C) Unlike the sting of the honeybee,

(D) Unlike that of the honeybee,

(E) Unlike the honeybee,
Hi Expert,
I'm little bit confused about the structure of this sentence. As far I know if we use ‘unlike’ in the sentence, then it gives the opposite meaning of the specific noun.
If I say:
Unlike Robert, Mr. Smith is a (…………………..). In the bracket, I’ve to put something, which is not owned by Robert.
Example:
Unlike Robert, Mr. Smith is a (doctor).
>>>The sentence implies that Robert is not a doctor.

In the original sentence of this question, it says:
Unlike the honeybee, the yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom that can cause intense pain.
Now, we can separate this sentence with different parts.
1) The yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying.
This part says that “The honeybee can’t sting repeatedly without dying”. Is it true for honeybee, expert?

2) The yellow jacket carries a potent venom.
This part says that “The honeybee doesn’t carry a potent venom”. Is it true for honeybee, expert?
Thank you all.

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as is used to compare verb or verb phrase

why?help!!!!thx!!!!

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Though I understand the answer very clearly.
Just wanted to know the use of "that of".
What exactly it tries to compare(as used in most of the sentences).Is it for comparing actions ??

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Post Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:05 am
Unlinke the honeybee... the yellow jacket....


parallelism.

Hence (E)

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Post Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:31 am
[quote="komal"]As contrasted with the honeybee, the yellow jacket can sting repeatedly without dying and carries a potent venom that can cause intense pain.

(A) As contrasted with the honeybee,
as is used to compare verb or verb phrase , but here the honybee is noun

(8) In contrast to the honeybee's,
comparison has to be in like cases but here honybee's ( a possesive noun) is compared to the yellow jacket ( subject form of noun)


(C) Unlike the sting of the honeybee,
comparison has to be in like cases the sting is wrngly compared to the yellow jacket


(D) Unlike that of the honeybee,
wrng comparison


(E) Unlike the honeybee,
correct

OA E

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