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by JDesai01 » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:15 pm
If s and t are positive integers such that s/t = 64.12, which of the following could be the remainder when s is divided by t?

(a) 2
(b) 4
(c) 8
(d) 20
(e) 45

Answer is E. The gmat explanation is not very practical. Please post advice on how best to solve. Thanks

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by Ian Stewart » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:52 pm
JDesai01 wrote:If s and t are positive integers such that s/t = 64.12, which of the following could be the remainder when s is divided by t?

(a) 2
(b) 4
(c) 8
(d) 20
(e) 45

Answer is E. The gmat explanation is not very practical. Please post advice on how best to solve. Thanks
Agreed- the explanation in the OG is pretty obscure.

When we divide s by t we can always write:

s/t = q + r/t

where q is the 'quotient', and r is the 'remainder', where 0 <= r < t (so 0 <= r/t < 1). That's essentially the definition of the remainder, so is quite important to understand- many remainder questions will be difficult to answer otherwise. If

s/t = 64.12 = 64 + 12/100

then 64 is the quotient, while the fractional part, 12/100, is equal to r/t (compare with the other equation above). This doesn't mean 12 is the remainder, however- that would only be true if t was equal to 100. Still, we can find what values r might take. Rewriting:

r/t = 12/100
r/t = 3/25
25r = 3t

and if r and t are integers, the primes that divide the right side of this equation must also divide the left- in particular r must be divisible by 3. Only one answer choice is divisible by 3- E, or 45- so it's the only possible value of r among the answer choices.

There are many other possible values for r- any multiple of 3 would have been a possible answer, in fact.
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by amitdgr » Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:06 am
Thanks Ian ; Your explanations are always clear
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by JDesai01 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:13 pm
Extremely helpful, Ian. Explanations like that make this site so valuable. Thank you, warmly.

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where in OG?

by jackcrystal » Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:39 pm
JDesai01, where did you see this problem? Can you please tell me book and page number?

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by JDesai01 » Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:02 am
I have given my books to a friend, so can't look up the page #, but I am pretty sure this question came from OG (orange book). You should be able to find it fairly quickly after a scan of PS questions.

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by kamesh » Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:15 am
JDesai01 wrote:I have given my books to a friend, so can't look up the page #, but I am pretty sure this question came from OG (orange book). You should be able to find it fairly quickly after a scan of PS questions.
Page 22 OG Diagnostoc Test Q No: 13

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by ben2pop » Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:56 am
Please Ian can you evaluate the level of difficulty of that question , let say on a scale of 1 to 10 ??

because in my learning , I am always afraid to do only simple questions and not the kind of hard questions that will give me a good grade on the exam !
thx you

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by quantfunda » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:22 am
JDesai01 wrote:If s and t are positive integers such that s/t = 64.12, which of the following could be the remainder when s is divided by t?

(a) 2
(b) 4
(c) 8
(d) 20
(e) 45

Answer is E. The gmat explanation is not very practical. Please post advice on how best to solve. Thanks
s/t = 64.12 = 6412 / 100 = 3206 / 50 = 1603 / 25

Now, 6412 / 100 gives Q: 64 and Rem. 12
similarly, 3206 / 50 gives Q: 64 and Rem. 6
and , 1603 / 25 gives Q: 64 and Rem. 3

Now we can see that all the remainder is multiple of 3. So going by choice we are left only with option E.

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by Ian Stewart » Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:01 pm
ben2pop wrote:Please Ian can you evaluate the level of difficulty of that question , let say on a scale of 1 to 10 ??

because in my learning , I am always afraid to do only simple questions and not the kind of hard questions that will give me a good grade on the exam !
thx you
I just saw this now; it's definitely a high-level question, as you'd need a very good foundation in both remainders and divisibility to answer it. Someone scoring below 40 (scaled score) in Quant shouldn't bother with this question (yet); you won't see anything as abstract on test day.
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by John Faber » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:14 am
I read through the answer solutions and I found JDesai01 explanation very good and thorough. In general I realized that memorizing the formula decimal*divisor = remainder will suffice. In this particular example:

.12 * t = remainder

12/200 * t = remainder

t = remainder/12/200

t = 25*remainder/3

From this you can derive that the remainder has to be a multiple of 3. Really it is the same thing as JDesai01 already posted, with the difference that I just try to memorize the formula mentioned in the beginning.