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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:18 pm    Post subject: Absolute Value!!!! Reply with quote

If y is greater than or equal to 0,what is the value of x

1) lx-3l is greater than or equal to y

2) lx-3l is greater than or equal to -y


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:18 am    Post subject: Re: Absolute Value!!!! Reply with quote

john1234 wrote:
If y is greater than or equal to 0,what is the value of x

1) lx-3l is greater than or equal to y

2) lx-3l is greater than or equal to -y


Thanx for any help


The answer is B. The second statement says that "lx-3l is greater than or equal to -y". But since a modulus can never be negative so y has to be 0 and hence lx-3l is equal to 0 and x =3
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. OA is B.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Absolute Value!!!! Reply with quote

gabriel wrote:
john1234 wrote:
If y is greater than or equal to 0,what is the value of x

1) lx-3l is greater than or equal to y

2) lx-3l is greater than or equal to -y


Thanx for any help


The answer is B. The second statement says that "lx-3l is greater than or equal to -y". But since a modulus can never be negative so y has to be 0 and hence lx-3l is equal to 0 and x =3


I don't get it!

Since the modulus of a value can never be negative, |x-3| will always be greater than -y(which is always negative), not just for y=0.

But, the explanation above looks good for me when the condition is |x-3|<=-y and this is the case where |x-3| can take the value of 0 ONLY since -y is always zero or negative.

Please let me know if I am missing anything here...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:00 am    Post subject: Re: Absolute Value!!!! Reply with quote

ravibits wrote:
gabriel wrote:
john1234 wrote:
If y is greater than or equal to 0,what is the value of x

1) lx-3l is greater than or equal to y

2) lx-3l is greater than or equal to -y


Thanx for any help


The answer is B. The second statement says that "lx-3l is greater than or equal to -y". But since a modulus can never be negative so y has to be 0 and hence lx-3l is equal to 0 and x =3


I don't get it!

Since the modulus of a value can never be negative, |x-3| will always be greater than -y(which is always negative), not just for y=0.

But, the explanation above looks good for me when the condition is |x-3|<=-y and this is the case where |x-3| can take the value of 0 ONLY since -y is always zero or negative.

Please let me know if I am missing anything here...


Look at it this way,
consider y = 2, as y >=0 from question.

2nd statement:
|x - 3| {LHS} >= -y {RHS}

Then,
|x - 3| {LHS} >= -2 {RHS}.

This means, LHS can be -1, 0, 1, 2 , ... etc.
But since LHS should always be positive or 0, RHS should also be positive or 0.

Now, RHS is -y. RHS can be 0 when y is 0.
RHS can be positive when y is negative. e.g: -(-3)
But y>=0 from question. so RHS cant be positive and y cannot be greater than 0.

So |x-3| has to be zero and hence x =3.
Hope I answered it right!


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ans: E

I did not conclude in my previous explanation.

Look at it this way,
consider y = 2, as y >=0 from question.

2nd statement:
|x - 3| {LHS} >= -y {RHS}

Then,
|x - 3| {LHS} >= -2 {RHS}.

This means, LHS can be -1, 0, 1, 2 , ... etc.
But since LHS should always be positive or 0, RHS should also be positive or 0.

Now, RHS is -y. RHS can be 0 when y is 0.
RHS can be positive when y is negative. e.g: -(-3)
But y>=0 from question and y is not greater than 0 from above (RHS cant be positive and y cannot be greater than 0).

That leaves us y = 0.

This brings us to the equation,
|x-3| >= 0

Now,
|x-3| >= 0 leaves 2 cases.

Case 1:- -(x-3) >= 0 and
Case 2:- +(x-3) >= 0.

Consider, Case 1.
Step 2 : x-3 <= 0
Step 3 : x <= 3

Consider Case 2.
Step 2 : x-3 >= 0
Step 3: x >= 3

From both Case 1 and case 2,
x can be any integer.

So, Statement 2 is insufficient.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not convinced with the explanation provided for B being the answer...can anyone explain better please.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reachac wrote:
I am not convinced with the explanation provided for B being the answer...can anyone explain better please.


And you should be unconvinced- B is not the correct answer. The solutions above would be correct if the question said 'less than', but they are certainly wrong for the question as presented, which says 'greater than'.

If y is greater than or equal to 0,what is the value of x

1) lx-3l is greater than or equal to y

2) lx-3l is greater than or equal to -y


Clearly 1) does not give you the value of x. 2) does not either; if y is positive, then -y is negative. It is obvious then that |x-3| is greater than -y, a negative number; indeed, statement 2) does not tell us anything at all. The answer must be E, since 2) is entirely useless, and 1) is insufficient.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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