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by AIM GMAT » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:37 am
rohu27 wrote:
atulmangal wrote:Also can anyone verify...??

Is "Known as" an INCORRECT IDIOM..?????? or there are some conditions to use Known as and Known to be...just like we use AGREE TO and AGREE WITH in specific cases???

Please clear as its a very common word...thanks

OA is C guys..
as per MGMAT known as is named as.
so B would imply bones are known as animals.
i had a problem in B that presnetly known as from large prehistoric animals, - wht does this modify? bones? its not clear. but as we see we have more reasons to eliminate B.
I guess we wnt get a problem where we need to eliminate on basis of just the idiom .Correct me if i am wrong .

IDIOMS LEARNED:-

assumed to be
known as
known to be

Great going guys , this way we would become well versed with the idioms .We can start a separate thread for IDIOMS ... what u guys say ??
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by GMATGuruNY » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:46 am
atulmangal wrote:Until a few centuries ago, any large bones discovered in the fields or caves of Europe, now known to be large prehistoric animals, were usually assumed to be the remains of giants and were often displayed as curiosities in castles, palaces, town halls, churches, and monasteries.

A. now known to be large prehistoric animals, were usually assumed to be
B. presently known as from large prehistoric animals, were usually assumed as
C. bones now known to be those of large prehistoric animals, were usually assumed to be
D. bones known at present as of large prehistoric animals, were usually assumed as those of
E. currently known as those of large prehistoric animals, were usually assumed to be those of

How to approach this question???
In A, B and E, it is unclear whether known is modifying Europe or any large bones. Either way, it doesn't make sense to say that any large bones were known. Eliminate A, B and E.

In D, known...as of is not idiomatic. The correct idiom is X is known as Y. Eliminate D.

The correct answer is C.
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by singh181 » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:56 am
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can you throw some light on "assumed to be" and "assumed as"??

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by atulmangal » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:58 am
AIM GMAT wrote:
rohu27 wrote:
atulmangal wrote:Also can anyone verify...??

Is "Known as" an INCORRECT IDIOM..?????? or there are some conditions to use Known as and Known to be...just like we use AGREE TO and AGREE WITH in specific cases???

Please clear as its a very common word...thanks

OA is C guys..
as per MGMAT known as is named as.
so B would imply bones are known as animals.
i had a problem in B that presnetly known as from large prehistoric animals, - wht does this modify? bones? its not clear. but as we see we have more reasons to eliminate B.
I guess we wnt get a problem where we need to eliminate on basis of just the idiom .Correct me if i am wrong .

IDIOMS LEARNED:-

assumed to be
known as
known to be

Great going guys , this way we would become well versed with the idioms .We can start a separate thread for IDIOMS ... what u guys say ??
Yes that gonna be a good idea AIM...because generally i learn Idioms after making mistakes in questions...and then note them down...its good to start a thread and share questions related to idioms...

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by GMATGuruNY » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:25 am
singh181 wrote:@GMATGuruNY,

can you throw some light on "assumed to be" and "assumed as"??
Correct idioms:

Idiom: Mary is assumed to be wealthy.
Meaning: People assume that Mary is wealthy.

Idiom: Mary is known to be wealthy.
Meaning: People know that Mary is wealthy.

Idiom: Mary is known as Mrs. Moneybags.
Meaning: Mrs. Moneybags is a name by which people know Mary.

Assumed as is not idiomatic.
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by Target2009 » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:52 am
+1 TO C.
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by GMATMadeEasy » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:27 pm
@Mitch :
Either way, it doesn't make sense to say that any large bones were known. Eliminate A, B and E.
Why would you say so ?

I understand past participle can be written this way to understand. But the main subject and vebr use the same structure..
any large bones were usually assumed
that is correct of course.

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by force5 » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:56 pm
+1 for C

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by crescendo85 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:12 am
Mitch

Until a few centuries ago, any large bones discovered in the fields or caves of Europe, bones now known to be those of large prehistoric animals, were usually assumed to be.....

In this bones now... is a appositive ? If yes then looks that bones is modifying Europe ? I am able to get the right answer but revisiting it makes me confused on this point.

From what I know appositive modify noun/noun phrases...


Please help

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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:16 am
crescendo85 wrote:Mitch

Until a few centuries ago, any large bones discovered in the fields or caves of Europe, bones now known to be those of large prehistoric animals, were usually assumed to be.....

In this bones now... is a appositive ? If yes then looks that bones is modifying Europe ? I am able to get the right answer but revisiting it makes me confused on this point.

From what I know appositive modify noun/noun phrases...


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Until a few centuries ago, any large bones discovered in the fields or caves of Europe, bones now known to be large prehistoric animals, were usually assumed to be the remains of giants.

The portion in red is a RESUMPTIVE MODIFIER.
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