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Giving a vociferous ... enthusiasm, Goran Ivanisevic served his way ... Andre Agassi, who is agile and athletic.
"Giving a vociferous ... enthusiasm" is a modifier which modifies to "Goran Ivanisevic".
"who is agile and athletic" is a modifier which modifies to Andre Agassi.
As "Andre Agassi" is a only one person. "who is agile and athletic" is a non-restrictive clause so it should be separated by comma.
Ans: B (As it is given in quiz as well)
"Giving a vociferous ... enthusiasm" is a modifier which modifies to "Goran Ivanisevic".
"who is agile and athletic" is a modifier which modifies to Andre Agassi.
As "Andre Agassi" is a only one person. "who is agile and athletic" is a non-restrictive clause so it should be separated by comma.
Ans: B (As it is given in quiz as well)
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my doubt is if the names wud have something else such as aryan and sameer then how we can be sure that there is only one sameer in this world .
If B is true then it suggest Andre Agassi is the only one name ............but who knows its nowhere mentioned in the s/c
and if C is correct then there are many andre agassi of which we are concerned about the one who is agile and atheletic...
as far as i know it cannot be a gramatical error....
i hope my doubt is valid
can some one help....
If B is true then it suggest Andre Agassi is the only one name ............but who knows its nowhere mentioned in the s/c
and if C is correct then there are many andre agassi of which we are concerned about the one who is agile and atheletic...
as far as i know it cannot be a gramatical error....
i hope my doubt is valid
can some one help....
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The sentence uses a proper noun - Andre Agassi and is set in very specific context of a sport. Thus, the author of the sentence has a specific Andre Agassi in mind (if we assume that there are multiple Andre Agassi) and does not need to use the clause "who is agile..." to help the reader identify Andre Agassi.
The reasoning above will not hold true if 'player' replaced Andre Agassi. In this case the author will need the help of the clause ' who is agile...' to help the reader identify the player in the context.
Hope this helps.
The reasoning above will not hold true if 'player' replaced Andre Agassi. In this case the author will need the help of the clause ' who is agile...' to help the reader identify the player in the context.
Hope this helps.
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My question:rsadana1 wrote:The sentence uses a proper noun - Andre Agassi and is set in very specific context of a sport. Thus, the author of the sentence has a specific Andre Agassi in mind (if we assume that there are multiple Andre Agassi) and does not need to use the clause "who is agile..." to help the reader identify Andre Agassi.
The reasoning above will not hold true if 'player' replaced Andre Agassi. In this case the author will need the help of the clause ' who is agile...' to help the reader identify the player in the context.
Hope this helps.
this description is of an event occurred in the past. So, we have to use a structure which maintains that Agassi was agile at that time.
How can an option be correct if it changes the tense, thereby changing the intended meaning. We really do not not know if he IS still agile or not.
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Out of all options I find A to be closest to correct
The agile and athletic Agassi also refers to only one proper noun i.e Agassi
I share Harsha's concern about "who IS..." changing the tense
Experts please explain...
The agile and athletic Agassi also refers to only one proper noun i.e Agassi
I share Harsha's concern about "who IS..." changing the tense
Experts please explain...
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I will try to address this concern. Lets consider two sentences. The version 1 is written in the same form as the original sentence in Question 1 above. And version 2 is written in the same form as the correct answer.
Example 1 - Version 1 = Eiffel Tower, the tallest monument in Paris, was built in 19th century.
Example 1 - Version 2 = Eiffel Tower, which is the tallest monument in Paris, was built in 19th century.
Per the intended meaning of the sentence Eiffel tower is the tallest monument in Paris.
Example 2 - Version 1 = UK, world superpower in 1800s, had a kingdom so large that the sun never set on the British empire.
Example 2 - Version 2 = UK, which was the world superpower in 1800s, had a kingdom so large that the sun never set on the British empire.
Per the intended meaning of the sentence UK was the world super power in 1800s.
Question 1 = Giving a vociferous ... enthusiasm, Goran Ivanisevic served his way ... agile and athletic Andre Agassi.
Here agile and athletic provides a characteristic of Andre Agassi. The sentence states a fact about Agassi stating that he IS agile and athletic.
The above shows that there could be different verb tenses in a sentence such that the intended meaning is communicated effectively.
Example 1 - Version 1 = Eiffel Tower, the tallest monument in Paris, was built in 19th century.
Example 1 - Version 2 = Eiffel Tower, which is the tallest monument in Paris, was built in 19th century.
Per the intended meaning of the sentence Eiffel tower is the tallest monument in Paris.
Example 2 - Version 1 = UK, world superpower in 1800s, had a kingdom so large that the sun never set on the British empire.
Example 2 - Version 2 = UK, which was the world superpower in 1800s, had a kingdom so large that the sun never set on the British empire.
Per the intended meaning of the sentence UK was the world super power in 1800s.
Question 1 = Giving a vociferous ... enthusiasm, Goran Ivanisevic served his way ... agile and athletic Andre Agassi.
Here agile and athletic provides a characteristic of Andre Agassi. The sentence states a fact about Agassi stating that he IS agile and athletic.
The above shows that there could be different verb tenses in a sentence such that the intended meaning is communicated effectively.
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Sentence 1 : Titanic, the largest ship in violent seas, crashed into the iceberg.rsadana1 wrote:I will try to address this concern. Lets consider two sentences. The version 1 is written in the same form as the original sentence in Question 1 above. And version 2 is written in the same form as the correct answer.
Example 1 - Version 1 = Eiffel Tower, the tallest monument in Paris, was built in 19th century.
Example 1 - Version 2 = Eiffel Tower, which is the tallest monument in Paris, was built in 19th century.
Per the intended meaning of the sentence Eiffel tower is the tallest monument in Paris.
Example 2 - Version 1 = UK, world superpower in 1800s, had a kingdom so large that the sun never set on the British empire.
Example 2 - Version 2 = UK, which was the world superpower in 1800s, had a kingdom so large that the sun never set on the British empire.
Per the intended meaning of the sentence UK was the world super power in 1800s.
Question 1 = Giving a vociferous ... enthusiasm, Goran Ivanisevic served his way ... agile and athletic Andre Agassi.
Here agile and athletic provides a characteristic of Andre Agassi. The sentence states a fact about Agassi stating that he IS agile and athletic.
The above shows that there could be different verb tenses in a sentence such that the intended meaning is communicated effectively.
Sentence 2 : Titanic, which is the largest ship in violent seas, crashed into the iceberg.
The two sentences are made exactly in the same way as Eiffel tower ones. Are the two versions same and convey the same meaning?
or there is something wrong in the construction of these sentences?
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First of all, I really admire the constructive discussion. Thanks for coming up with this example:
In my opinion both sentences convey the same meaning. If this is the only information provided, then this sentence is grammatically correct.
However, if the sentence provided more information stating whether the ship is destroyed or not, then the which modifier tense will need to be changed accordingly to match the context of the sentence:
Titanic, which is the largest ship in violent seas, crashed into the iceberg but is still functional.
Titanic, which was the largest ship in violent seas, crashed into the iceberg and got completely destroyed.
The bottom-line is the understanding the meaning of the sentence.
In my opinion both sentences convey the same meaning. If this is the only information provided, then this sentence is grammatically correct.
However, if the sentence provided more information stating whether the ship is destroyed or not, then the which modifier tense will need to be changed accordingly to match the context of the sentence:
Titanic, which is the largest ship in violent seas, crashed into the iceberg but is still functional.
Titanic, which was the largest ship in violent seas, crashed into the iceberg and got completely destroyed.
The bottom-line is the understanding the meaning of the sentence.
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precisely ! That's it ! There you are ! That's my point!rsadana1 wrote:First of all, I really admire the constructive discussion. Thanks for coming up with this example:
In my opinion both sentences convey the same meaning. If this is the only information provided, then this sentence is grammatically correct.
However, if the sentence provided more information stating whether the ship is destroyed or not, then the which modifier tense will need to be changed accordingly to match the context of the sentence:
Titanic, which is the largest ship in violent seas, crashed into the iceberg but is still functional.
Titanic, which was the largest ship in violent seas, crashed into the iceberg and got completely destroyed.
The bottom-line is the understanding the meaning of the sentence.
There should be some other indicator in the sentence to have change of tense a valid one.
Here, the original sentence is just a description of an event in past and hence, we cannot assume that Agassi is still agile .
Consequently, we should not include IS (simple present) in the modifier, as the change of tense will be unjustified . That's my opinion. I may be wrong, but will need some more explanation to quench my thirst.
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B implies that Andre is still athletic and agile. I suppose we are meant to read this sentence as if it were the year 2000
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first, a warning -- the gmat is not a test of rhetoric, so differences that depend on rhetorical considerations will not be tested.
since the vast majority of differences between essential and nonessential (also known as restrictive and nonrestrictive, respectively) modifiers are rhetorical in nature, this means that you'll not often have to worry about deciding whether a modifier should be essential.
nevertheless, here are some considerations that you should know regarding modifiers:
1) modifiers that start with "which" are always nonessential (set off by a comma).
2) modifiers that start with "that" are always essential (not set off by a comma).
3) COMMA -ING modifiers modify the ENTIRETY of the preceding CLAUSE.
4) -ING modifiers WITHOUT COMMAS modify only the preceding NOUN or NOUN PHRASE.
note #3 and #4 here -- this is the only situation in which i can really see the gmat demanding that you be able to distinguish whether you want a modifier with a comma or a modifier without one.
in particular, note that this still doesn't depend on whether the modifier is rhetorically essential or nonessential -- it's still a question of proper modifier usage, i.e., whether it modifies a noun or modifies an entire clause.
here's an illustration:
* the bike path diverges from the highway heading into the city.
--> in this example, we have a -ING modifier that is NOT preceded by a comma.
therefore, this means that it's only the highway bad heads into the city; in other words, the highway heads into the city, and the bike path diverges from that highway (and thus presumably doesn't lead into the city).
* the bike path diverges from the highway, heading into the city.
--> in this example, we have a COMMA -ING modifier, which (as always) modifies the entire preceding CLAUSE.
therefore, this time, it's the bike path that heads into the city (as it diverges from the highway).
since the vast majority of differences between essential and nonessential (also known as restrictive and nonrestrictive, respectively) modifiers are rhetorical in nature, this means that you'll not often have to worry about deciding whether a modifier should be essential.
nevertheless, here are some considerations that you should know regarding modifiers:
1) modifiers that start with "which" are always nonessential (set off by a comma).
2) modifiers that start with "that" are always essential (not set off by a comma).
3) COMMA -ING modifiers modify the ENTIRETY of the preceding CLAUSE.
4) -ING modifiers WITHOUT COMMAS modify only the preceding NOUN or NOUN PHRASE.
note #3 and #4 here -- this is the only situation in which i can really see the gmat demanding that you be able to distinguish whether you want a modifier with a comma or a modifier without one.
in particular, note that this still doesn't depend on whether the modifier is rhetorically essential or nonessential -- it's still a question of proper modifier usage, i.e., whether it modifies a noun or modifies an entire clause.
here's an illustration:
* the bike path diverges from the highway heading into the city.
--> in this example, we have a -ING modifier that is NOT preceded by a comma.
therefore, this means that it's only the highway bad heads into the city; in other words, the highway heads into the city, and the bike path diverges from that highway (and thus presumably doesn't lead into the city).
* the bike path diverges from the highway, heading into the city.
--> in this example, we have a COMMA -ING modifier, which (as always) modifies the entire preceding CLAUSE.
therefore, this time, it's the bike path that heads into the city (as it diverges from the highway).
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