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by pemdas » Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:49 pm
In how many ways can 21 post mails be distributed among seven couriers such that each courier receives an equal amount of post mails?

A 21^7
B (7!)^7
C 21!/(3!)^7
D 21!/7!
E 7^21

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by LalaB » Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:26 pm
IMHO A is the answ
if the answer is ok, I can explain my logic

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by shankar.ashwin » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:01 am
Assuming all 21 mails are distinct... We need to distribute them in 7 groups of 3.

21 different posts can be arranged in 21! ways..

Now since each courier receives 3 posts each, the order of the 3 doesnt matter..

For the 1st courier, we have (21*20*19)/3!
For the 2nd courier, we have (18*17*16)/3! and so on..

Combing we have 21!/(3!^7) .. C

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by LalaB » Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:25 am
@shankar.ashwin

do u mean we need to use this formula?

The number of ways in which mn different items can be divided equally into m groups is (mn)!/(n!)^m.

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by shankar.ashwin » Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:54 am
I am not sure of the formula... But this is similar to a problem in GMATPrep.. discussed several times here..

I think Mitch explains it well.. Have a look

https://www.beatthegmat.com/forming-teams-t73034.html

LalaB wrote:@shankar.ashwin

do u mean we need to use this formula?

The number of ways in which mn different items can be divided equally into m groups is (mn)!/(n!)^m.

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by pemdas » Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:09 am
nice, i made this up not for enjoyment and easy answers :mrgreen:
am i nasty? :twisted:
@Shankar, yes Mitch has solved and briefly explained, but did you get there?
it's still pending solution; i have already made up another "nice" question & will post after you hit this one
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by shankar.ashwin » Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:52 am
Pemdas.. Just edited my post... Still dont get to any of the answer choices mentioned... Not sure whats wrong with the solution..
pemdas wrote:nice, i made this up not for enjoyment and easy answers :mrgreen:
am i nasty? :twisted:
@Shankar, yes Mitch has solved and briefly explained, but did you get there?
it's still pending solution; i have already made up another "nice" question & will post after you hit this one

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by pemdas » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:54 am
yea, similar
updated the thread with my solution about the same https://www.beatthegmat.com/forming-team ... tml#448600 . Here -hint, Order MATTERS! hit it please
shankar.ashwin wrote:Pemdas.. Just edited my post... Still dont get to any of the answer choices mentioned... Not sure whats wrong with the solution..
pemdas wrote:nice, i made this up not for enjoyment and easy answers :mrgreen:
am i nasty? :twisted:
@Shankar, yes Mitch has solved and briefly explained, but did you get there?
it's still pending solution; i have already made up another "nice" question & will post after you hit this one
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by GMATGuruNY » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:54 am
pemdas wrote:In how many ways can 21 post mails be distributed among seven couriers such that each courier receives an equal amount of post mails?

A 21^7
B (7!)^7
C 21!/(3!)^7
D 21!/7!
E 7^21

made up
Because we are ASSIGNING combinations of 3 to each courier, the ORDER of the groupings matters.
Assigning ABC to courier 1 and DEF to courier 2 is not the same as assigning DEF to courier 1 and ABC to courier 2.

Step 1: Count how many combinations of 3 can be assigned to each courier.
Step 2: Multiply the results in order to count the number of ways in which these combinations of 3 can be ORDERED among all 7 couriers.

Combinations of 3 that could be assigned to the first courier:
(21*20*19)/3!.

Combinations of 3 that could be assigned to the second courier:
(18*17*16)/3!.

Combinations of 3 that could be assigned to the third courier:
(15*14*13)/3!.

And so on.

When we multiply these results:
The numerator will be 21!: (21*20*19)*(18*17*16)*(15*14*13)....
Since each of the 7 groupings is divided by 3!, the denominator will be (3!)(3!)(3!)(3!)(3!)(3!)(3!) = (3!)�.
Thus, the correct answer here is C: 21!/(3!)�.

This expression represents the number of ways to ARRANGE 7 combinations of 3.
In other words, the number of ways we can ASSIGN 3 letters to each of the 7 couriers.
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by shankar.ashwin » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:22 am
pemdas wrote:yea, similar
updated the thread with my solution about the same https://www.beatthegmat.com/forming-team ... tml#448600 . Here -hint, Order MATTERS! hit it please
My first answer was a straight C, over thought it and messed it up :)..

Thanks Mitch and Pemdas

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by LeoBen » Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:47 am
good one pemdas.

perhaps you should have been more wicked -- by adding an answer choice such as 21!/7!(3!)^7 :twisted:

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by pemdas » Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:12 am
next time will be done, here my intention was to leave only the ordered arrangement
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by santhoshsram » Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:05 pm
Good one. Thanks PEMDAS
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by pappueshwar » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:54 am
hi Mike,
kindly explain as to why 3! is there in the denominator. i didnt understand.
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pemdas wrote:In how many ways can 21 post mails be distributed among seven couriers such that each courier receives an equal amount of post mails?

A 21^7
B (7!)^7
C 21!/(3!)^7
D 21!/7!
E 7^21

made up
Because we are ASSIGNING combinations of 3 to each courier, the ORDER of the groupings matters.
Assigning ABC to courier 1 and DEF to courier 2 is not the same as assigning DEF to courier 1 and ABC to courier 2.

Step 1: Count how many combinations of 3 can be assigned to each courier.
Step 2: Multiply the results in order to count the number of ways in which these combinations of 3 can be ORDERED among all 7 couriers.

Combinations of 3 that could be assigned to the first courier:
(21*20*19)/3!.

Combinations of 3 that could be assigned to the second courier:
(18*17*16)/3!.

Combinations of 3 that could be assigned to the third courier:
(15*14*13)/3!.

And so on.

When we multiply these results:
The numerator will be 21!: (21*20*19)*(18*17*16)*(15*14*13)....
Since each of the 7 groupings is divided by 3!, the denominator will be (3!)(3!)(3!)(3!)(3!)(3!)(3!) = (3!)�.
Thus, the correct answer here is C: 21!/(3!)�.

This expression represents the number of ways to ARRANGE 7 combinations of 3.
In other words, the number of ways we can ASSIGN 3 letters to each of the 7 couriers.