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Usage of , and

by abcgmat » Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:22 am
As per MGMAT SC guide it says ,and can be placed for a list of items and to seperate two complete sentences.

1. Earl walked to school, and later ate his dinner- Incorrect
2. Earl walked to school and later ate his dinner- correct
3. Earlwalked to school, and he later ate his dinner- correct

Would be ok to say the below sentence Because they contradict the one with MGMAT sc Guide

Mumbai houses 20 million people,is the cultural capital of India, and has a lot of potential for a
newcomer with dreams.

In the below sentence
It is of the format: As have ..., and have ....
Both are verbs and have same subject and second part of the sentence is not independent but is still seperated by ,and. All the options have ,and
Can someone help ...what am i Missing to understand????

In comparison with tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone
systems have a relatively broad zone of maximum winds located
farther from the center, and typically have
a less symmetric wind
field.
A. SAME
B. with tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone of maximum winds located farther from the
center, and typically has
C"¢ with tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone located farther from the center of maximum
winds, and typically have
D"¢ to tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone of maximum winds located farther from the
center, and typically have
E"¢ to tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone of maximum winds located farther from the
center, and typically has

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by GmatKiss » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:05 am
In comparison with tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone
systems have a relatively broad zone of maximum winds located
farther from the center, and typically have
a less symmetric wind
field.

A. SAME
B. with tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone of maximum winds located farther from the
center, and typically has
C"¢ with tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone located farther from the center of maximum
winds, and typically have
D"¢ to tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone of maximum winds located farther from the
center, and typically have
E"¢ to tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone of maximum winds located farther from the
center, and typically has

IMO: A

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by moonraker » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:32 am
answer is A

there has to be have and not has as we are comparing plural subject ( cyclone systems and not cyclone).

also we cant say compare to as it is only used to compare different types of parameters. Compare with is for same type of parameters.

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by abcgmat » Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:02 pm
But we have ',and ' here but they are not seperate sentence.
I thought as per MGMAT, two verbs with same subject cannot have ',and' but should have 'and' (without a comma)

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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:27 am
abcgmat wrote:But we have ',and ' here but they are not seperate sentence.
I thought as per MGMAT, two verbs with same subject cannot have ',and' but should have 'and' (without a comma)
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by bnair » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:37 am
Mitch, is there really a difference between 'compared to' and 'compared with'? Will there be a make or break situation solely based on to/with?

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by sam2304 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:50 am
'Compared to' - to compare/point out similarities between two unlike things.
'compared with' - to point out similarities/differences between like things.
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by leonswati » Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:37 am
I use the following approach:

Use 'compare to' when comparing things which are not similar.
Eg: He compared her to a summer sun. (Comparison is between a person and the sun)

Use 'compare with' when comparing similar things.
Eg: He compared the forged signature with the original one. (Comparison is between two signatures).

I hope that helps.
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by avik.ch » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:20 am
Yes, the technical distinction between "compared to" and "compared with" is already stated above but GMAT don't test this difference. Actually its very difficult what the author is stressing - similarities or difference - from just once sentence.So this is not a point of distinction in any SC problem.
Take for example

Chocolate is good for you compared with/to ice cream. - which one to use ?

Actually both are correct and interchangeable.

Please refer explanation for OG11 SC #16 - both the forms are correct.

I am not sure of this question. What is the source ?
Here both A and D is correct.

"Mumbai houses 20 million people,is the cultural capital of India, and has a lot of potential for a
newcomer with dreams. " - What is the source of this sentence ?

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by nandy1984 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:27 am
abcgmat wrote:As per MGMAT SC guide it says ,and can be placed for a list of items and to seperate two complete sentences.

1. Earl walked to school, and later ate his dinner- Incorrect
2. Earl walked to school and later ate his dinner- correct
3. Earlwalked to school, and he later ate his dinner- correct

Would be ok to say the below sentence Because they contradict the one with MGMAT sc Guide

Mumbai houses 20 million people,is the cultural capital of India, and has a lot of potential for a
newcomer with dreams.

In the below sentence
It is of the format: As have ..., and have ....
Both are verbs and have same subject and second part of the sentence is not independent but is still seperated by ,and. All the options have ,and
Can someone help ...what am i Missing to understand????

In comparison with tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone
systems have a relatively broad zone of maximum winds located
farther from the center, and typically have
a less symmetric wind
field.
A. SAME
B. with tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone of maximum winds located farther from the
center, and typically has
C"¢ with tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone located farther from the center of maximum
winds, and typically have
D"¢ to tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone of maximum winds located farther from the
center, and typically have
E"¢ to tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone of maximum winds located farther from the
center, and typically has
Hello abcgmat,

Here we are comparing two types of cyclone systems: tropical and subtropical both are like things i mean both are cyclone systems so we need to use 'In comparison with' using this alone we can eliminate D,E....
we are left with A,B,C...since we are talking about systems which is PLURAL we need to use have not has...so we can eliminate B. We are left with A,C...
if u carefully read the sentence C it actually changes the meaning of the sentence...winds are located farther not the cyclone itself...So Answer is A....

Takeaway:
"In comparison to" is used when we compare two dissimilar things/ unlike things -- leonswati has given a simple example...
"In comparison with" is used when we compare two similar things/like things
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by avik.ch » Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:09 am
nandy1984 wrote:
abcgmat wrote:As per MGMAT SC guide it says ,and can be placed for a list of items and to seperate two complete sentences.

1. Earl walked to school, and later ate his dinner- Incorrect
2. Earl walked to school and later ate his dinner- correct
3. Earlwalked to school, and he later ate his dinner- correct

Would be ok to say the below sentence Because they contradict the one with MGMAT sc Guide

Mumbai houses 20 million people,is the cultural capital of India, and has a lot of potential for a
newcomer with dreams.

In the below sentence
It is of the format: As have ..., and have ....
Both are verbs and have same subject and second part of the sentence is not independent but is still seperated by ,and. All the options have ,and
Can someone help ...what am i Missing to understand????

In comparison with tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone
systems have a relatively broad zone of maximum winds located
farther from the center, and typically have
a less symmetric wind
field.
A. SAME
B. with tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone of maximum winds located farther from the
center, and typically has
C"¢ with tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone located farther from the center of maximum
winds, and typically have
D"¢ to tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone of maximum winds located farther from the
center, and typically have
E"¢ to tropical cyclone systems, subtropical cyclone systems have a
relatively broad zone of maximum winds located farther from the
center, and typically has
Hello abcgmat,

Here we are comparing two types of cyclone systems: tropical and subtropical both are like things i mean both are cyclone systems so we need to use 'In comparison with' using this alone we can eliminate D,E....
we are left with A,B,C...since we are talking about systems which is PLURAL we need to use have not has...so we can eliminate B. We are left with A,C...
if u carefully read the sentence C it actually changes the meaning of the sentence...winds are located farther not the cyclone itself...So Answer is A....

Takeaway:
"In comparison to" is used when we compare two dissimilar things/ unlike things -- leonswati has given a simple example...
"In comparison with" is used when we compare two similar things/like things
When you are stuck with one type of error which u are not clear switch to the other errors...the faster you switch you will consume less time and get to the answer quickly...Yours might be valid point but try to solve the problem dont get stuck with one error...
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The distinction between "compared to" and "compared with" has already been clarified by many experts such as Ron and 800bob - it is not tested in GMAT. Even GMAT clarified it in its explanation of SC#17 in OG-11. Both are acceptable and interchangeable.

So I am sure this question must have been from some unauthenticated source, may be 1000sc.
https://www.beatthegmat.com/700-800-leve ... 84468.html

Right now, I am not able to track 800bob's explanation to this.

If I am not mistaken the only difference between A and D is "compared to" vs "compared with". According to GMAT both A and D are correct.


What is the source of this question ?

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by lunarpower » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:25 am
avik.ch wrote:So I am sure this question must have been from some unauthenticated source, may be 1000sc.
that problem was once in our practice-test software, but we deactivated it a long time ago -- for precisely this reason (i.e., it tests the compared to/with distinction, which is not actually a real difference).

if it is still being bounced around on the internet, then ... that's the danger of taking problems from the internet. they live forever, even the ones that have since been edited or taken down.
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by avik.ch » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:51 am
Hii Ron,

Thanks for your clarification.