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by diebeatsthegmat » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:56 am
A group of 10 people consists of 3 married couples and 4 single men. A committee of 4 is to be from the 10 people. How many different committees can be formed if the committee can consist of at most 1 married couple?
i found the answer ( my answer) is 90...this is how i did it
3 couples of married people : AabBcC, there are 3 ways to choose 1 in 3 couples
for 2 left,
+ choose 1b,1c= 3*2*2*2=24
+choose 1b or 1 c and choose 1 from singles men=3*2*2*4=48
+choose 2 from single men= 6*3=18

but the answer i got is not 90 so could you guys please help? and tell me the fastest way to solve this problem?

ohh got it, i got it...
i could do like this: choose 4 from 10 people first so there could be 210
then choose 2 couples from 3 couples: = 3
the answer is 10C4-2C3=207
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by cans » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:00 pm
3 couples and 4 men. atmost 1 couple = 0 couple or 1 couple. = total - 2 couple...
total 10C4 - 3C2= 207...
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by mehrasa » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:55 pm
cans wrote:3 couples and 4 men. atmost 1 couple = 0 couple or 1 couple. = total - 2 couple...
total 10C4 - 3C2= 207...
I think this is the best and fastest way to solve this problem.. thanks Cans

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by gmatboost » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:15 am
The following is the wrong way to do it, but it confirms that 207 can be reached by adding up all the cases:

Call the people AABBCCSSSS

1. Couple + 2 others
3 choices for couple
8C2 = 28 ways to choose the other 2, but we must subtract 2 because we can't choose the two couples, so 26 ways to choose the other 2. 3 * 26 = 78.

2. ABCS
2 choices for A, B, C
4 choices for S
2 * 2 * 2 * 4 = 32

3. 1 person from each of two couples and 2 single people (e.g. ABSS)
6C2 = 15 ways to choose 2 people from AABBCC but we must subtract 3 because we can't choose the couples, so 12 ways to choose 2 people from the couples.
4C2 = 6 ways to choose SS.
12 * 6 = 72.

4. 1 person from a couple, 3 single people
6 choices from the person from couple
4C3 = 4 ways to choose SSS
6 * 4 = 24

5. 4 single people
1 way to do this

78 + 32 + 72 + 24 + 1 = 207
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by parveen110 » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:21 am
What's wrong with the following approach:

# of ways to select 4 ppl from:

4 single men= 4C4=1
3 single men and any one from married couple= 4C3*6C1 = 24
2 single men and any two from married couple= 4C2*6C1*4C1= 144
1 single men and any three from married couple= 4C1*6C1*4C1*2C1= 192

Also, accounting for atmost 1 married couple= 3C2*(8C2-2) = 78

Combining:
1+24+144+192+78 which is way too much than required.

Please help.

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by GMATGuruNY » Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:48 am
parveen110 wrote:What's wrong with the following approach:

# of ways to select 4 ppl from:

4 single men= 4C4=1
3 single men and any one from married couple= 4C3*6C1 = 24
2 single men and any two from married couple= 4C2*6C1*4C1= 144
The portion in red is incorrect.
If your intention is to select a COMBINATION of 2 married people who are not married to each other, then the ORDER of the 2 married people doesn't matter.
Thus, we must divide 6C1*4C1 by the the number of ways the 2 married people can be arranged (2!):
4C2 * (6C1*4C1)/2! = 72.


1 single men and any three from married couple= 4C1*6C1*4C1*2C1= 192
The portion in red is incorrect.
If your intention is to select a COMBINATION of 3 married people who are not married to each other, then the ORDER of the 3 married people doesn't matter.
Thus, we must divide 6C1*4C1*2C1 by the the number of ways the 3 married people can be arranged (3!):
4C1 * (6C1*4C1*2C1)/3! = 32.


Also, accounting for at most 1 married couple= 3C2*(8C2-2) = 78

Combining:
1+24+144+192+78 which is way too much than required.
Adding together the revised totals, we get:
1+24+72+32+78 = 207.


Please help.

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Please see my notes in red above.
The following approach is similar to yours but perhaps a bit more straightforward:

Case 1: 4 single men
Number of ways to choose 4 single men from 4 options = 4C4 = (4*3*2*1)/(4*3*2*1) = 1.

Case 2: 3 single men and 1 married person
Number of ways to choose 3 single men from 4 options = 4C3 = (4*3*2)/(3*2*1) = 4.
Number of ways to choose 1 married person from 6 options = 6C1 = 6/1 = 6.
To combine these options, we multiply:
4*6 = 24.

Case 3: 2 single men and 2 married people
Number of ways to choose 2 single men from 4 options = 4C2 = (4*3)/(2*1) = 6.
Number of ways to choose 2 married people from 6 options = 6C2 = (6*5)/(2*1) = 15.
To combine these options, we multiply:
6*15 = 90.

Case 4: 1 single men and 3 married people
Number of ways to choose 1 single man from 4 options = 4C1 = 4/1 = 4.
Number of ways to choose 3 married people from 6 options = 6C3 = (6*5*4)/(3*2*1) = 20.
To combine these options, we multiply:
4*20 = 80.

Case 5: 4 married people
Number of ways to choose 4 married people from 6 options = 6C4 = 15.
Of these 15 combinations, we must subtract those consisting of 2 married couples.
Number of ways to choose 2 married couples from 3 options = 3C2 = 3.
Subtracting the 3 disallowed combinations, we get:
15-3 = 12.

Adding together the 5 cases, we get:
1 + 24 + 90 + 80 + 12 = 207.
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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:50 am
parveen110 wrote:What's wrong with the following approach:

# of ways to select 4 ppl from:

4 single men= 4C4=1
3 single men and any one from married couple= 4C3*6C1 = 24
2 single men and any two from married couple= 4C2*6C1*4C1= 144
1 single men and any three from married couple= 4C1*6C1*4C1*2C1= 192

Also, accounting for atmost 1 married couple= 3C2*(8C2-2) = 78

Combining:
1+24+144+192+78 which is way too much than required.

Please help.

Thank you.
I want to elaborate on why some of your calculations are incorrect.
Let's examine this part: 2 single men and any two from married couple= 4C2*6C1*4C1= 144
As I understand it, your rationale is as follows:
Step 1: We can select 2 single men (from 4 single men) in 4C2 ways.
Step 2: Select 1 of the 6 married people in 6C1 ways.
Step 3: Remove the spouse of the person selected in step 2, and then (from the 4 remaining married people) select 1 married person in 4C1 ways.

Here's the problem.
Your solution treats the outcome of step 2 as different from the outcome of step 3, when these outcomes are not different.
Consider this following scenario:
Let A, B, C and D be the 4 single men, and let E, e, F, f, G, and g be the 3 married couples.

SCENARIO 1:
Step 1: Select B and C
Step 2: f
Step 3: G

SCENARIO 2:
Step 1: Select B and C
Step 2: G
Step 3: f

Your solution treats these two scenarios as having different outcomes, when they are not.
In fact, we count each scenario twice.

There's a similar problem with this: 1 single men and any three from married couple= 4C1*6C1*4C1*2C1= 192

For more on the topic of examining whether the outcomes of different steps are different, you can read my article https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2013/09/ ... s-part-iii

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