Basic DS Is z even?

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Basic DS Is z even?

by venmic » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:00 am
Is z even?
(1) 5z is even. (2) 3z is even.

Ans C

I know this is a basic question but can you please explain in detail
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by kmittal82 » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:05 am
Assuming z is an integer

(1) 5z is even, which means that z must be even, since 5 is odd, odd * odd = odd, and odd * even = even

(2) 3z is even, which means that z must be even, since 3 is odd, odd * odd = odd and odd * even = even

So, it should be (D), not (C)

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by akhilsuhag » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:17 am
Is z even?
(1) 5z is even. (2) 3z is even.

Ans:

Statement 1:

Break 5z as 5*z. Now since it is even their must be a 2 somewhere in z because it cant be in the 5. So, z is an even number.

Statement 2:

The same logic applies. 3 is a prime and odd number and cant have 2 as a factor. So even this is Sufficient.

Both are SUFFICIENT!!

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by Brian@VeritasPrep » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:53 am
Assuming z is an integer
Ah, but that's one of the most important things to know about Data Sufficiency - you cannot assume anything!

Your goal in these situations should be to get the less-popular answer to the overall question - to challenge yourself to find the unique case that most won't find.

So for statement 1, it should be pretty easy to get the answer "YES", z is even. Because if z is 2, 5z = 10 and you've satisfied the statement. But is there a case out there in which 5z could be even but z could be not even? Well, since the question doesn't rule out a fraction, z = 2/5 also works. 2/5 * 5 = 2, which is even, but 2/5 itself is not an even number so we get the answer "NO".

Similarly for statement 2, it's pretty easy to get "NO" if you call z an even integer, because then 3z would definitely be even and the statement would be satisfied. But z = 2/3 also works for the statement so we could get z as something other than an even number - we can still get "NO".

Now, taken together those denominators of 5 and 3 don't work for us anymore. 2/3 * 3 is even, but 2/3 * 5 is not, so we can't use 2/3 (or 2/5 for that matter) anymore when both statements are required. That's why the answer is C - when both statements are present then z must be an even number.


The big takeaways here are:

1) Don't assume anything that you're not given (or that you can't logically infer from what is given)

2) Because of the above, make your goal to use all the available types of numbers in order to get the "other" answer to the overall question.
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by akhilsuhag » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:28 am
Thanks Brian.

It was silly to assume it as an interger!!

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by venmic » Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:01 am
This is awesome Brian thanks ... :)

Brian@VeritasPrep wrote:
Assuming z is an integer
Ah, but that's one of the most important things to know about Data Sufficiency - you cannot assume anything!

Your goal in these situations should be to get the less-popular answer to the overall question - to challenge yourself to find the unique case that most won't find.

So for statement 1, it should be pretty easy to get the answer "YES", z is even. Because if z is 2, 5z = 10 and you've satisfied the statement. But is there a case out there in which 5z could be even but z could be not even? Well, since the question doesn't rule out a fraction, z = 2/5 also works. 2/5 * 5 = 2, which is even, but 2/5 itself is not an even number so we get the answer "NO".

Similarly for statement 2, it's pretty easy to get "NO" if you call z an even integer, because then 3z would definitely be even and the statement would be satisfied. But z = 2/3 also works for the statement so we could get z as something other than an even number - we can still get "NO".

Now, taken together those denominators of 5 and 3 don't work for us anymore. 2/3 * 3 is even, but 2/3 * 5 is not, so we can't use 2/3 (or 2/5 for that matter) anymore when both statements are required. That's why the answer is C - when both statements are present then z must be an even number.


The big takeaways here are:

1) Don't assume anything that you're not given (or that you can't logically infer from what is given)

2) Because of the above, make your goal to use all the available types of numbers in order to get the "other" answer to the overall question.

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by Ozlemg » Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:24 am
Brian@VeritasPrep wrote:
Assuming z is an integer
Ah, but that's one of the most important things to know about Data Sufficiency - you cannot assume anything!

Your goal in these situations should be to get the less-popular answer to the overall question - to challenge yourself to find the unique case that most won't find.

So for statement 1, it should be pretty easy to get the answer "YES", z is even. Because if z is 2, 5z = 10 and you've satisfied the statement. But is there a case out there in which 5z could be even but z could be not even? Well, since the question doesn't rule out a fraction, z = 2/5 also works. 2/5 * 5 = 2, which is even, but 2/5 itself is not an even number so we get the answer "NO".

Similarly for statement 2, it's pretty easy to get "NO" if you call z an even integer, because then 3z would definitely be even and the statement would be satisfied. But z = 2/3 also works for the statement so we could get z as something other than an even number - we can still get "NO".

Now, taken together those denominators of 5 and 3 don't work for us anymore. 2/3 * 3 is even, but 2/3 * 5 is not, so we can't use 2/3 (or 2/5 for that matter) anymore when both statements are required. That's why the answer is C - when both statements are present then z must be an even number.


The big takeaways here are:

1) Don't assume anything that you're not given (or that you can't logically infer from what is given)

2) Because of the above, make your goal to use all the available types of numbers in order to get the "other" answer to the overall question.

Why 2/5 is not en even number?

it is 0.4 and is divisible by 2...Could you elaborate this part pls?

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by edge » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:59 pm
Ozlemg wrote: Why 2/5 is not en even number?

it is 0.4 and is divisible by 2...Could you elaborate this part pls?

Thnk you
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by adity_13 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:08 am
I am not clear about how we can combine them and say the answer is statement C is the answer.

Is it
5z-3z= 2z
=> 2z=2
=> z= 2/2 which yields 1 and we can say Z is not even and its sufficient

Please explain
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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:12 am
adity_13 wrote:I am not clear about how we can combine them and say the answer is statement C is the answer.

Is it
5z-3z= 2z
=> 2z=2
=> z= 2/2 which yields 1 and we can say Z is not even and its sufficient

Please explain
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For statement 1, there are 2 possible scenarios to consider.
case a) z is even
case b) z = (an even #)/5, in which case z is not even
So statement 1 is not sufficient

For statement 2, there are 2 possible scenarios to consider.
case a) z is even
case b) z = (an even #)/3, in which case z is not even
So statement 2 is not sufficient

When we combine statements 1 and 2, we see that case b cannot occur. In other words, z cannot simultaneously equal (an even #)/3 and (an even #)/5. Once we eliminate case b, we are left with only 1 case: z is even
Since z must be even, the combine statements are sufficient.
Answer = C

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