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by N:Dure » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:29 pm
1) A coin is tossed 6 times. What's the probability of getting at least 4 heads on consecutive tosses?

a) 1/64
b) 3/32
c) 15/64
d) 11/32
e) 90/64


2) Given a positive integer K

A) The probability that (K) (K+1) (K+2) (K+3) (K+4) is divisible by 20
B) 1

a) A is bigger
b) B is bigger
c) both are equal
d) Insufficient


3) Given that 'n' numbers are 8 i.e. (8,8,8,8,8....n) and 'n+2' numbers are 10. What's the arithmetic mean for both sets?

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by anshumishra » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:43 pm
N:Dure wrote:1) A coin is tossed 6 times. What's the probability of getting at least 4 heads on consecutive tosses?

a) 1/64
b) 3/32
c) 15/64
d) 11/32
e) 90/64


2) Given a positive integer K

A) The probability that (K) (K+1) (K+2) (K+3) (K+4) is divisible by 20
B) 1

a) A is bigger
b) B is bigger
c) both are equal
d) Insufficient


3) Given that 'n' numbers are 8 i.e. (8,8,8,8,8....n) and 'n+2' numbers are 10. What's the arithmetic mean for both sets?

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1). 4 consecutive heads : (1,2,3,4), (2,3,4,5) and (3,4,5,6) - 3 ways
5 consecutive heads : (1,2,3,4,5) and (2,3,4,5,6) - 2 ways
6 consecutive heads : (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 1 ways

So, required probability = 6/64 = 3/32

2). (K) (K+1) (K+2) (K+3) (K+4) is divisible by 2,3,4,5 => It is divisible by 20
So, P [(K) (K+1) (K+2) (K+3) (K+4) is divisible by 20] = 1

Hence answer is C.

3).Arithmetic mean = [8*n+10*(n+2)]/[n+(n+2)] = [18n+20]/[2n+2] = (9n+10)/(n+1).
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by N:Dure » Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:57 pm
Namaste! Thanks Anush for your help.

Just to reiterate, in no.2 you assume K=1 so 2,3, 4, 5 making them multiples and 20 is 2*2*5 so they have common factors, and the product of Ks is also / 20, right?
I also thought the same for no.3 but the answer is (9n+10)/(n+1) don't ask me how
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by N:Dure » Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:02 pm
Another q: If 65% of the total stamps are foreign, and 35% of the stamps with last ten years (?), and 40% are the foreign stamps ten years ago (?). If the total stamps are 1200, then what number of stamps are ten years now?

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by anshumishra » Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:05 pm
N:Dure wrote:Namaste! Thanks Anush for your help.

Just to reiterate, in no.2 you assume K=1 so 2,3, 4, 5 making them multiples and 20 is 2*2*5 so they have common factors, and the product of Ks is also / 20, right?
I also thought the same for no.3 but the answer is (9n+10)/(9n+1) don't ask me how
For Question no. 2 : - For any value of K, the (K) (K+1) (K+2) (K+3) (K+4)...(K+n) is divisible by all the numbers from 1 to n+1.

For Question 3 : The question was not very clear, Please check the edited answer now.
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by Rahul@gurome » Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:11 pm
N:Dure wrote:Namaste! Thanks Anush for your help.

Just to reiterate, in no.2 you assume K=1 so 2,3, 4, 5 making them multiples and 20 is 2*2*5 so they have common factors, and the product of Ks is also / 20, right?
I also thought the same for no.3 but the answer is (9n+10)/(n+1) don't ask me how
If you take any 5 consecutive integers, one of them is always divisible by 5 and one of them is always divisible by 4.
For example 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 - 10 is divisible by 5 and 8 is divisible by 4.
So the product of 5 sonsecutive integers will always be divisible by 5*4 = 20.

In 3rd question, average is {8*n + 10*(n+2)}/{n+(n+2)} = (9n+10 )/(n+1)
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by anshumishra » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:30 pm
N:Dure wrote:Another q: If 65% of the total stamps are foreign, and 35% of the stamps with last ten years (?), and 40% are the foreign stamps ten years ago (?). If the total stamps are 1200, then what number of stamps are ten years now?
N:Dure,
Please post a new question in a separate thread, otherwise it gets lost.
Again this question is very poorly worded. Either it is not from a good source or not properly written here.
Skip it.

Or lets see if someone makes something out of this problem.
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by N:Dure » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:43 pm
Thanks Anush & Rahul

I just check q 1 and the OA is 11/32... any clue why is that?

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by beat_gmat_09 » Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:12 pm
Hi,
The question asks for at least 4 heads.
1st we get 4 heads remaining 2 has to be Tails. This can happen - HHHHTT, number of ways heads can occur = 6!/(2!*4!) = 15
2nd we get 5 heads remaining 1 has to be tail. This can happen - HHHHHT, number of ways heads can occur = 6!/5! = 6
3rd we get all 6 heads. This can only happen in one way i.e. HHHHHH
Probability of getting heads or tails = 1/2, occurance is 6 times, thus probability of occurance either heads or tails - (1/2)^6
We need to combine the above cases, treating them as 'OR' with the probability (1/2)^6 multiplied by the number of times they can occur.

Thus required probability -
= P(4 Heads,2 tails) + P(5 heads 1 tail) + P(all 6 heads)

=[15*(1/2)^6] + [6*(1/2)^6] + [(1/2)^6]

Take out (1/2)^6 common term

=(1/2)^6[15+6+1]
= 22/64
= 11/32
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by anshumishra » Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:44 am
beat_gmat_09 wrote:Hi,
The question asks for at least 4 heads.
1st we get 4 heads remaining 2 has to be Tails. This can happen - HHHHTT, number of ways heads can occur = 6!/(2!*4!) = 15
2nd we get 5 heads remaining 1 has to be tail. This can happen - HHHHHT, number of ways heads can occur = 6!/5! = 6
3rd we get all 6 heads. This can only happen in one way i.e. HHHHHH
Probability of getting heads or tails = 1/2, occurance is 6 times, thus probability of occurance either heads or tails - (1/2)^6
We need to combine the above cases, treating them as 'OR' with the probability (1/2)^6 multiplied by the number of times they can occur.

Thus required probability -
= P(4 Heads,2 tails) + P(5 heads 1 tail) + P(all 6 heads)

=[15*(1/2)^6] + [6*(1/2)^6] + [(1/2)^6]

Take out (1/2)^6 common term

=(1/2)^6[15+6+1]
= 22/64
= 11/32
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The question asks for at least 4 heads on consecutive tosses.
1st we get 4 heads remaining 2 has to be Tails. This can happen - HHHHTT, number of ways heads can occur = 6!/(2!*4!) = 15
This will contain some ways such as (HTHTHH, THHHTH, etc...) which doesn't satisfy the criteria.

Correct me if I am wrong, But that is what the question meant to me. It is not asking the probability of just getting at least 4 heads (but rather at least 4 consecutive heads : HHHHTT, THHHHT,TTHHHH,HHHHHT,THHHHH,HHHHHH).
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by beat_gmat_09 » Sat Dec 25, 2010 7:49 pm
anshumishra wrote: The question asks for at least 4 heads on consecutive tosses.
1st we get 4 heads remaining 2 has to be Tails. This can happen - HHHHTT, number of ways heads can occur = 6!/(2!*4!) = 15
This will contain some ways such as (HTHTHH, THHHTH, etc...) which doesn't satisfy the criteria.

Correct me if I am wrong, But that is what the question meant to me. It is not asking the probability of just getting at least 4 heads (but rather at least 4 consecutive heads : HHHHTT, THHHHT,TTHHHH,HHHHHT,THHHHH,HHHHHH).
at least 4 heads on consecutive tosses
The tosses are consecutive, not the heads getting on the tosses !
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by anshumishra » Sat Dec 25, 2010 7:54 pm
beat_gmat_09 wrote:
anshumishra wrote: The question asks for at least 4 heads on consecutive tosses.
1st we get 4 heads remaining 2 has to be Tails. This can happen - HHHHTT, number of ways heads can occur = 6!/(2!*4!) = 15
This will contain some ways such as (HTHTHH, THHHTH, etc...) which doesn't satisfy the criteria.

Correct me if I am wrong, But that is what the question meant to me. It is not asking the probability of just getting at least 4 heads (but rather at least 4 consecutive heads : HHHHTT, THHHHT,TTHHHH,HHHHHT,THHHHH,HHHHHH).
at least 4 heads on consecutive tosses
The tosses are consecutive, not the heads getting on the tosses !
How does toss being consecutive adds anything to the question ? What is the difference between these two questions :

A coin is tossed 6 times. What's the probability of getting at least 4 heads on consecutive tosses?
vs
A coin is tossed 6 times. What's the probability of getting at least 4 heads ?
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by beat_gmat_09 » Sat Dec 25, 2010 8:03 pm
anshumishra wrote: How does toss being consecutive adds anything to the question ? What is the difference between these two questions :

A coin is tossed 6 times. What's the probability of getting at least 4 heads on consecutive tosses?
vs
A coin is tossed 6 times. What's the probability of getting at least 4 heads ?
As far as my knowledge both are same.
The consecutive notion which you are talking about requires the question to state explicitly that the tosses on the coins should be heads consecutively i.e. HHHHTT, THHHHT .....
I think the problem should state something like this - ... of getting at least 4 heads consecutively on the tosses (the tosses are consecutive here)
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by anshumishra » Sat Dec 25, 2010 8:20 pm
beat_gmat_09 wrote:
anshumishra wrote: How does toss being consecutive adds anything to the question ? What is the difference between these two questions :

A coin is tossed 6 times. What's the probability of getting at least 4 heads on consecutive tosses?
vs
A coin is tossed 6 times. What's the probability of getting at least 4 heads ?
As far as my knowledge both are same.
The consecutive notion which you are talking about requires the question to state explicitly that the tosses on the coins should be heads consecutively i.e. HHHHTT, THHHHT .....
I think the problem should state something like this - ... of getting at least 4 heads consecutively on the tosses (the tosses are consecutive here)
Good that we are on the same page, concept-wise.

It is more about how the question is worded ? I still see "getting at least 4 heads on consecutive tosses", as HHHHTT,THHHHT, etc... and not HTHTHH, HHHTHH, etc...

It would be interesting to see how others read this question :)
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by lunarpower » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:32 pm
anshumishra wrote:
beat_gmat_09 wrote:
anshumishra wrote: How does toss being consecutive adds anything to the question ? What is the difference between these two questions :

A coin is tossed 6 times. What's the probability of getting at least 4 heads on consecutive tosses?
vs
A coin is tossed 6 times. What's the probability of getting at least 4 heads ?
definitely not the same -- the default meaning of the former is, without a doubt, "at least 4 heads in a row without interruption". in fact, if you took a poll of native speakers of the english language (who, as far as i understand, are not common on this forum), i would bet decent money that 100% of them would interpret the statement in this way, without any hesitation.
as far as why -- it's probably just the reflex action of assigning an essential modifier to the closest logical thing that it can modify. in that case, that means the immediate assignment of the modifier "on consecutive tosses" to the phrase "at least 4 heads", giving the desired meaning.

of course, if this problem were official, it would almost certainly be phrased in a less bulky, easier-to-understand way, such as "what's the probability of getting at least 4 consecutive heads?"

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if that makes sense to you, then the above explanation should make sense as well. (and even if it doesn't, you should still commit that general form of description to memory -- since that's the way those modifiers are going to work, if you see them.)
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