Hi guyz
Just realizaed i'm having a consistent problem in recognizing which noun 'it' refers to in a sentence if there are 2 or more nouns preceeding it especially one after the other very closely.
Any rule which states the referrant of 'it' clearly???
For example :
By applying optimization techniques commonly used to plan operations, it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company’s products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms.
it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company’s products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms
a company’s managers can determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of the company’s products in order to meet its short and long term goals
it can be determined by company managers how much effort ought to be devoted to each of the company’s products in order to meet its goals, both short and long term
it may be possible for company managers to determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of these products in order to meet the company’s short and long term goals
managers at a company can determine how much effort ought to be dedicated to each of these products in order to meet the company’s goals in both the short and long term
In the above sentence i eliminated B 'coz i thought 'it' refers to company's products and it is not the company's products that have short and long term goals but the company's manger who has short and long term goals.
Plz clear out this concept for me!!!
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usage of it
By applying optimization techniques commonly used to plan operations, it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company’s products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms.
a company’s managers can determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of the company’s products in order to meet its short and long term goals
I would pick B for this problem because first of all, you have to think about who is applying optimization techniques?
original sentence, IT is vague and same for C and D.
B and E both starts off with managers, but I picked B since they are in parallel structure as you've highlighted in your post.
a company’s managers can determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of the company’s products in order to meet its short and long term goals
I would pick B for this problem because first of all, you have to think about who is applying optimization techniques?
original sentence, IT is vague and same for C and D.
B and E both starts off with managers, but I picked B since they are in parallel structure as you've highlighted in your post.
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bsandhyav wrote:Hi guyz
Just realizaed i'm having a consistent problem in recognizing which noun 'it' refers to in a sentence if there are 2 or more nouns preceeding it especially one after the other very closely.
Any rule which states the referrant of 'it' clearly???
For example :
By applying optimization techniques commonly used to plan operations, it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company’s products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms.
Pronoun: It and Its
First "It" is a dummy one...
second "Its" --shortlist possible antecedents
Products, company, manager
Crtieria 1
Manager is eliminated as it cannot refer to a person but can refer to a team or a group or a company as a whole
Criteria 2
Pls note: Possessive form of the company
For a Possessive noun, we need a possessive antecedent
so eliminate products and manager
Its refer to the "company" and hence "its" has a unique and logically correct antecedent and agrees in number and case
it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company’s products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms
Just one It, first one and is dummy
e.g. Its a sunny day
a company’s managers can determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of the company’s products in order to meet its short and long term goals
Its
Manager, Company and product
same as above. Refers to company
it can be determined by company managers how much effort ought to be devoted to each of the company’s products in order to meet its goals, both short and long term
Same as above
it may be possible for company managers to determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of these products in order to meet the company’s short and long term goals
Pronouns: It, These
These is a demonstrative pronoun and more used like a adj
here it qualifies products
managers at a company can determine how much effort ought to be dedicated to each of these products in order to meet the company’s goals in both the short and long term
No pronoun
In the above sentence i eliminated B 'coz i thought 'it' refers to company's products and it is not the company's products that have short and long term goals but the company's manger who has short and long term goals.
Plz clear out this concept for me!!!
Also, the sentence starts with "By applying Optimiztation techniques..."
Opening modifier must quality who applied...Manager applied
hence, first eliminate all statments starting with something other than manager and then see pronoun issue, to save time
Also, Pronouns are first are your greatest weaknesses and if you focus, they can become your greatest asset
One more thing: If you still get stuck, problem has atleast 2 to 3 major issues, capitalize on one of those
Bye, iamcste
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please guys!
Post your reasoning for the answers..
@@reachac ( Mr Moderator )
It makes no sense of posting just the answer.
Post your reasoning for the answers..
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It makes no sense of posting just the answer.
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I agree - there is no use of posting your precious IMOs.ronniecoleman wrote:please guys!
Post your reasoning for the answers..
@@reachac ( Mr Moderator )
It makes no sense of posting just the answer.
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I go wit B as wellbsandhyav wrote:Hi guyz
Just realizaed i'm having a consistent problem in recognizing which noun 'it' refers to in a sentence if there are 2 or more nouns preceeding it especially one after the other very closely.
Any rule which states the referrant of 'it' clearly???
For example :
By applying optimization techniques commonly used to plan operations, it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company’s products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms.
it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company’s products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms
a company’s managers can determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of the company’s products in order to meet its short and long term goals
it can be determined by company managers how much effort ought to be devoted to each of the company’s products in order to meet its goals, both short and long term
it may be possible for company managers to determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of these products in order to meet the company’s short and long term goals
managers at a company can determine how much effort ought to be dedicated to each of these products in order to meet the company’s goals in both the short and long term
In the above sentence i eliminated B 'coz i thought 'it' refers to company's products and it is not the company's products that have short and long term goals but the company's manger who has short and long term goals.
Plz clear out this concept for me!!!
By applying optimization techinques............ who applies ?........ manager
So left with B and D
D is wordy , awkward ...manager at a company Vs company's manager
Hence B
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Sudhir did you mean B and E ?sudhir3127 wrote:I go wit B as wellbsandhyav wrote:Hi guyz
Just realizaed i'm having a consistent problem in recognizing which noun 'it' refers to in a sentence if there are 2 or more nouns preceeding it especially one after the other very closely.
Any rule which states the referrant of 'it' clearly???
For example :
By applying optimization techniques commonly used to plan operations, it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company’s products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms.
it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company’s products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms
a company’s managers can determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of the company’s products in order to meet its short and long term goals
it can be determined by company managers how much effort ought to be devoted to each of the company’s products in order to meet its goals, both short and long term
it may be possible for company managers to determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of these products in order to meet the company’s short and long term goals
managers at a company can determine how much effort ought to be dedicated to each of these products in order to meet the company’s goals in both the short and long term
In the above sentence i eliminated B 'coz i thought 'it' refers to company's products and it is not the company's products that have short and long term goals but the company's manger who has short and long term goals.
Plz clear out this concept for me!!!
By applying optimization techinques............ who applies ?........ manager
So left with B and D
D is wordy , awkward ...manager at a company Vs company's manager
Hence B
And I eliminated E because of THESE.
Any comments ?
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hey logitech .. sorie abt the typo its so confusing to scroll up and answer particularly when options are not numbered.. yes i meant B and Elogitech wrote:Sudhir did you mean B and E ?sudhir3127 wrote:I go wit B as wellbsandhyav wrote:Hi guyz
Just realizaed i'm having a consistent problem in recognizing which noun 'it' refers to in a sentence if there are 2 or more nouns preceeding it especially one after the other very closely.
Any rule which states the referrant of 'it' clearly???
For example :
By applying optimization techniques commonly used to plan operations, it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company’s products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms.
it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company’s products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms
a company’s managers can determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of the company’s products in order to meet its short and long term goals
it can be determined by company managers how much effort ought to be devoted to each of the company’s products in order to meet its goals, both short and long term
it may be possible for company managers to determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of these products in order to meet the company’s short and long term goals
managers at a company can determine how much effort ought to be dedicated to each of these products in order to meet the company’s goals in both the short and long term
In the above sentence i eliminated B 'coz i thought 'it' refers to company's products and it is not the company's products that have short and long term goals but the company's manger who has short and long term goals.
Plz clear out this concept for me!!!
By applying optimization techinques............ who applies ?........ manager
So left with B and D
D is wordy , awkward ...manager at a company Vs company's manager
Hence B
And I eliminated E because of THESE.
Any comments ?
In E i don tthink "These" is a problem .. these refers properly to the Products..
As i said i found E to be wordy ..
E says " managers at a company"
B says companys manager.. which clearly is precise.
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Well I don't think so..sudhir3127 wrote:
In E i don tthink "These" is a problem .. these refers properly to the Products..
As i said i found E to be wordy ..
E says " managers at the company"
B says companys manager.. which clearly is precise.
THESE PRODUCTS does not mean anything to me.
E.g. I like these questions. Which questions ?
The verb also changes at E. Let's see what other people think about how they eliminated E.
Thank you!
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well E is full of errors
1. Idiomatic usage
Both X and Y ; X -Y parallel
In case of E, X and Y are not parallel
2. "to be" is form of "being" and wordy on GMAT
3. "These " is used correctly but doesnt have an antecedent
so E can be safely eliminated
Many think "its" in B to be ambigiuous, thats not the case
Choose B
1. Idiomatic usage
Both X and Y ; X -Y parallel
In case of E, X and Y are not parallel
2. "to be" is form of "being" and wordy on GMAT
3. "These " is used correctly but doesnt have an antecedent
so E can be safely eliminated
Many think "its" in B to be ambigiuous, thats not the case
Choose B
Well my post was in response to the request in the post just above mine. My apologies in case it caused any inconvenience to the users.logitech wrote:I agree - there is no use of posting your precious IMOs.ronniecoleman wrote:please guys!
Post your reasoning for the answers..
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It makes no sense of posting just the answer.
Here is how I thought 'B' to be the preferred choice
(A) By applying optimization techniques commonly used to plan operations, it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company’s products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms.
->Use of expletive ‘it’. Does not make it clear as to who would be applying the techniques?
->Both X and Y, where X and Y have the same form is the correct way to use ‘Both’. Here ‘the short’ and ‘long’ are not parallel. It should have been ‘the short’ and ‘the long’
(B) a company’s managers can determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of the company’s products in order to meet its short and long term goals .
->Does away with the expletive ‘it’, using company’s managers instead.
->The use of possessive pronoun ‘its’ has a clear possessive referent i.e.’ company’s’
->Correct Option
(C) it can be determined by company managers how much effort ought to be devoted to each of the company’s products in order to meet its goals, both short and long term
->Expletive ‘it’. Makes the sentence unnecessarily wordy.
->‘company managers how much effort’ awkward sentence structure. Still better could have been to use something like ‘company managers as to how much effort’
(D) it may be possible for company managers to determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of these products in order to meet the company’s short and long term goals
->Use of ‘may’ changes the sense (tone) of the sentence from affirmative to speculative.
->Pronoun ‘these’ has no clear referent.
(E) managers at a company can determine how much effort ought to be dedicated to each of these products in order to meet the company’s goals in both the short and long term
->Pronoun ‘these’ has no clear referent.
->Both X and Y, where X and Y have the same form is the correct way to use ‘Both’. Here ‘the short’ and ‘long’ are not parallel. It should have been ‘the short’ and ‘the long’
