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Nine months after the county banned jet

by aspirant2011 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:48 pm
Nine months after the county banned jet skis and other water bikes from the tranquil waters of Puget Sound, a judge overturned the ban on the ground of violating state laws for allowing the use of personal watercraft on common waterways.

(A) of violating state laws for allowing
(B) of their violating state laws to allow
(C) that it violates state laws that allowed
(D) that it violated state laws allowing
(E) that state laws were being violated allowing

[spoiler]OA: Whats exactly wrong with C?????[/spoiler]

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by cans » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:58 am
past tense, so violates is wrong.
IMO D
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by clock60 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:01 am
hi aspirant
i saw this sentence earlier, and made it wrong picking C.
C is wrong because tences here are not proper
judge overturned the ban (past simple).....that it violates(present simple) laws that allowed (past simple)
thus, ban now violates the laws that are no longer in use, as laws were in the past, and they no longer valid, perhaps they have no such laws now,
ban can`t violate that does not exist(here laws)
perhaps, if to change violates to violated we will have right construction, as done in D

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by aspirant2011 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:17 am
clock60 wrote:hi aspirant
i saw this sentence earlier, and made it wrong picking C.
C is wrong because tences here are not proper
judge overturned the ban (past simple).....that it violates(present simple) laws that allowed (past simple)
thus, ban now violates the laws that are no longer in use, as laws were in the past, and they no longer valid, perhaps they have no such laws now,
ban can`t violate that does not exist(here laws)
perhaps, if to change violates to violated we will have right construction, as done in D
Hi clock 60,

If option C would have been like

That it violates state laws that allow

Then would it have been correct????

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by clock60 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:36 am
aspirant2011 wrote:
clock60 wrote:hi aspirant
i saw this sentence earlier, and made it wrong picking C.
C is wrong because tences here are not proper
judge overturned the ban (past simple).....that it violates(present simple) laws that allowed (past simple)
thus, ban now violates the laws that are no longer in use, as laws were in the past, and they no longer valid, perhaps they have no such laws now,
ban can`t violate that does not exist(here laws)
perhaps, if to change violates to violated we will have right construction, as done in D
Hi clock 60,

If option C would have been like

That it violates state laws that allow

Then would it have been correct????
i am not dead sure,sorry but i think that no, as the begging of the sentence is in past (overturned)
and it happens that judge did something in the past. to prevent something that happens now.
but better to take advice from more qualified person

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by aspirant2011 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:00 am
clock60 wrote:
aspirant2011 wrote:
clock60 wrote:hi aspirant
i saw this sentence earlier, and made it wrong picking C.
C is wrong because tences here are not proper
judge overturned the ban (past simple).....that it violates(present simple) laws that allowed (past simple)
thus, ban now violates the laws that are no longer in use, as laws were in the past, and they no longer valid, perhaps they have no such laws now,
ban can`t violate that does not exist(here laws)
perhaps, if to change violates to violated we will have right construction, as done in D
Hi clock 60,

If option C would have been like

That it violates state laws that allow

Then would it have been correct????
i am not dead sure,sorry but i think that no, as the begging of the sentence is in past (overturned)
and it happens that judge did something in the past. to prevent something that happens now.
but better to take advice from more qualified person
because overturned is simple past and that it violates [simple present] state laws that allow [simple present] means the laws are still valid...........and thats what my confusion is......

Experts please comment........

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by najeeb775 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:10 am
Here is why I feel it should be D and not C.

(D) that it violated state laws allowing

Violated is the right tense coz it violated at the time the ban was overturned (meaning it no longer violates as it is already overturned, action happened in the past )

Allowing is the right tense and not allowed coz the state laws are the basis on which this ban was overturned and these state laws hold good even today as we speak hence the state laws are still 'allowing' the use of persona watercraft hence it is not correct to say allowed as it still allows.

Its all about what took place when.

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by GMATGuruNY » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:56 am
aspirant2011 wrote:Nine months after the county banned jet skis and other water bikes from the tranquil waters of Puget Sound, a judge overturned the ban on the ground of violating state laws for allowing the use of personal watercraft on common waterways.

(A) of violating state laws for allowing
(B) of their violating state laws to allow
(C) that it violates state laws that allowed
(D) that it violated state laws allowing
(E) that state laws were being violated allowing

[spoiler]OA: Whats exactly wrong with C?????[/spoiler]
In C, violates is in the wrong tense. The judge overturned the ban (in the past). It is not possible that the ban violates state laws (in the present). Keep all the verbs in the same tense unless a change in tense is required. Eliminate C.

The tenses in D are correct. At the time the judge overturned the ban (in the past), the ban violated (also in the past) state laws allowing the use of personal watercraft on common waterways. The present participle allowing indicates an action contemporaneous with violated; the two actions took place at the same time.

The correct answer is D.
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by iongmat » Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:30 pm
Hi GMATGuruNY, could you let me know what "it" in C and D refers to?

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by aspirant2011 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:33 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote:
aspirant2011 wrote:Nine months after the county banned jet skis and other water bikes from the tranquil waters of Puget Sound, a judge overturned the ban on the ground of violating state laws for allowing the use of personal watercraft on common waterways.

(A) of violating state laws for allowing
(B) of their violating state laws to allow
(C) that it violates state laws that allowed
(D) that it violated state laws allowing
(E) that state laws were being violated allowing

[spoiler]OA: Whats exactly wrong with C?????[/spoiler]
In C, violates is in the wrong tense. The judge overturned the ban (in the past). It is not possible that the ban violates state laws (in the present). Keep all the verbs in the same tense unless a change in tense is required. Eliminate C.

The tenses in D are correct. At the time the judge overturned the ban (in the past), the ban violated (also in the past) state laws allowing the use of personal watercraft on common waterways. The present participle allowing indicates an action contemporaneous with violated; the two actions took place at the same time.

The correct answer is D.
Hi Mitch,

Thnks for ur response :-). If option C would have been like That it violates state laws that allow, then would the same have been correct????

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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:29 am
iongmat wrote:Hi GMATGuruNY, could you let me know what "it" in C and D refers to?
In C and D, it refers to the ban: a judge overturned the ban on the ground that it violated state laws.
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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:36 am
aspirant2011 wrote:
GMATGuruNY wrote:
aspirant2011 wrote:Nine months after the county banned jet skis and other water bikes from the tranquil waters of Puget Sound, a judge overturned the ban on the ground of violating state laws for allowing the use of personal watercraft on common waterways.

(A) of violating state laws for allowing
(B) of their violating state laws to allow
(C) that it violates state laws that allowed
(D) that it violated state laws allowing
(E) that state laws were being violated allowing

[spoiler]OA: Whats exactly wrong with C?????[/spoiler]
In C, violates is in the wrong tense. The judge overturned the ban (in the past). It is not possible that the ban violates state laws (in the present). Keep all the verbs in the same tense unless a change in tense is required. Eliminate C.

The tenses in D are correct. At the time the judge overturned the ban (in the past), the ban violated (also in the past) state laws allowing the use of personal watercraft on common waterways. The present participle allowing indicates an action contemporaneous with violated; the two actions took place at the same time.

The correct answer is D.
Hi Mitch,

Thnks for ur response :-). If option C would have been like That it violates state laws that allow, then would the same have been correct????
No. As I noted above, since the ban was overturned (in the past), it is not possible that the ban violates state laws (in the present).
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by [email protected] » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:53 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote:
iongmat wrote:Hi GMATGuruNY, could you let me know what "it" in C and D refers to?
In C and D, it refers to the ban: a judge overturned the ban on the ground that it violated state laws.
Hi Mitch,
I thought it is ambigious cause it could refer either to ban or to judge. Why does it clearly refer to ban?
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by satinder kaur » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:02 pm
Hi Mitch,

Can you provide some explanation on usage of 'it'?

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by richachampion » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:55 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote: an action contemporaneous with violated
I didn't understand this wholeheartedly.

I have one more question the correct answer D would be correct if we change it like this:
(D) that it violated state laws that allowed.
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