Explanation please??
OA is C
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From (1) x can be 3 or 1/3 so cannot be A / D
From (2) x cannot be 3 so B is out
(1+2) says x=1/3, one single value for x, pick C
Edit to correct....
(1+2) says x=1/3 and mod(1/3) <1
From (2) x cannot be 3 so B is out
(1+2) says x=1/3, one single value for x, pick C
Edit to correct....
(1+2) says x=1/3 and mod(1/3) <1
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I didn't get the statement 1 part right. How you got 1/3 as an other option for X. I see that for both x> 0 and x< 0, the value for x= 3.
when x >0, x+1 = 2(x-1) => x = 3.
when x< 0 , -(x+1) = -2(x-1) => x= 3.
Can anyone please point to me where I went wrong? Is there any general concept how we need to solve the modular arithemetic questions involving a unknown x variable ? My belief was, we need to consider values for both x <0 and x> 0 when an unknwon variable is involved, may be there is something more to it that I might be missing. Can someone throw some light on this concept.
when x >0, x+1 = 2(x-1) => x = 3.
when x< 0 , -(x+1) = -2(x-1) => x= 3.
Can anyone please point to me where I went wrong? Is there any general concept how we need to solve the modular arithemetic questions involving a unknown x variable ? My belief was, we need to consider values for both x <0 and x> 0 when an unknwon variable is involved, may be there is something more to it that I might be missing. Can someone throw some light on this concept.
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You also need to combine positive and negative absolute values... there are four possible outcomes:
x+1 = 2(x-1) -> x = 3
-(x+1) = -2(x-1) -> x= 3
(x+1) = 2(x-1) -> x = 1/3
-(x+1) = 2(x-1) -> x = 1/3
x+1 = 2(x-1) -> x = 3
-(x+1) = -2(x-1) -> x= 3
(x+1) = 2(x-1) -> x = 1/3
-(x+1) = 2(x-1) -> x = 1/3
ildude02 wrote:I didn't get the statement 1 part right. How you got 1/3 as an other option for X. I see that for both x> 0 and x<0>0, x+1 = 2(x-1) => x = 3.
when x<0> x= 3.
Can anyone please point to me where I went wrong? Is there any general concept how we need to solve the modular arithemetic questions involving a unknown x variable ? My belief was, we need to consider values for both x <0> 0 when an unknwon variable is involved, may be there is something more to it that I might be missing. Can someone throw some light on this concept.
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Ok, so you are saying if there are 2 sides of the mod X equations invloved, we need to consider the possibility that ONLY one side of the mod equation taking x < 0 while the other side of the mod equation has x> 0, eventhough both are based of the same X variable.
egybs wrote:You also need to combine positive and negative absolute values... there are four possible outcomes:
x+1 = 2(x-1) -> x = 3
-(x+1) = -2(x-1) -> x= 3
(x+1) = 2(x-1) -> x = 1/3
-(x+1) = 2(x-1) -> x = 1/3
ildude02 wrote:I didn't get the statement 1 part right. How you got 1/3 as an other option for X. I see that for both x> 0 and x<0>0, x+1 = 2(x-1) => x = 3.
when x<0> x= 3.
Can anyone please point to me where I went wrong? Is there any general concept how we need to solve the modular arithemetic questions involving a unknown x variable ? My belief was, we need to consider values for both x <0> 0 when an unknwon variable is involved, may be there is something more to it that I might be missing. Can someone throw some light on this concept.
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Remember we aren't saying that x<0 , we're saying that x+1 and/or x-1 is less than 0.
For example, if x were -.5, x+1 and |x+1| would both be positive numbers, so the absolute value would not change anything.
For example, if x were -.5, x+1 and |x+1| would both be positive numbers, so the absolute value would not change anything.
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To determine potential values, yes we need to consider all the possibilities.
ildude02 wrote:So we basically have to consider the whole equation within the MOD to be positive or negative since that can be either +ve or -ve eventhough the value of MOD is always >= 0.
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four scenarios-
if
0<x<1, then x=1/3 -TRUE
X>1 then x=3- TRUE
-1<x<0 then x=1/3- FALSE
x<-1 then x=3- FALSE
so as per A, x can have two values - 1/3 or 3
but as per B, x is not equal to 3
so combining both x=1/3
so Answer is c
if
0<x<1, then x=1/3 -TRUE
X>1 then x=3- TRUE
-1<x<0 then x=1/3- FALSE
x<-1 then x=3- FALSE
so as per A, x can have two values - 1/3 or 3
but as per B, x is not equal to 3
so combining both x=1/3
so Answer is c
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I'm not sure you can take values for x as you did, as in 0<x<1, -1<x<0 etc.
Instead, I assume from egby's sugestion, we need to equate the whole equation within the MOD to <0 or > 0. => x+1 <0 or >0 and x-1 can either be >0 or <0.
I would still wish if Ian or Stuart can explain the concept of solving such MOD arithmetic and MOD in general since they both do the best job at breaking it down. I hope they see this post
Instead, I assume from egby's sugestion, we need to equate the whole equation within the MOD to <0 or > 0. => x+1 <0 or >0 and x-1 can either be >0 or <0.
I would still wish if Ian or Stuart can explain the concept of solving such MOD arithmetic and MOD in general since they both do the best job at breaking it down. I hope they see this post
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Well, to be honest, I almost never do absolute value questions algebraically. Absolute value measures distances on the number line, so if I see an absolute value equation or inequality on the GMAT, I'll ask myself 'what does this say about distances?' Perhaps because I'm used to thinking this way, I find it very fast, and very easy to understand (since it only involves visualization on a number line). The other great advantage is that almost all of the very difficult absolute value questions are much more easily answered if you understand the distance interpretation of absolute value. And, of course, you can fall back on the algebraic approach if you have to, though I don't often need to.ildude02 wrote:I would still wish if Ian or Stuart can explain the concept of solving such MOD arithmetic and MOD in general since they both do the best job at breaking it down.
So, I'll try to walk through how I'd do this question in detail- the explanation may seem longer than the algebraic solutions above, but it took about ten seconds to do.
First the theory. Recall that:
|x| measures the distance from x to 0;
|a-b| measures the distance between a and b on the number line;
|a+b| is the distance between a and -b, because |a+b| = |a-(-b)|.
I'll do an easier question first:
If |x-3| = 5
what is x?
We know |a-b| is the distance between a and b. So the above equation just says: "the distance between x and 3 is equal to 5". In other words, "x is five away from 3". Draw the number line, draw 3 on it, and x is either five to the left of 3 (so x = -2), or five to the right of 3 (so x = 8).
Now to the question above. We are asked:
Is |x| < 1?
This says in words: 'is the distance between x and zero less than 1?' Or, is x less than one away from zero? In other words, is it true that -1 < x < 1?
At this point, I'd draw a number line and label the points -1 and 1: they're certain to be important.
1) |x+1| = 2|x-1|
In words, this equation says: "The distance between x and -1 is equal to twice the distance between x and 1". I find that easier to understand if I phrase it this way: "x is twice as far from -1 as it is from 1". Look at the number line: where could x be? There's one value x could have which is somewhere between -1 and 1 (and while we really don't care what that value is- it's a DS question- you can probably see it should be x = 1/3). There's also one value x might have which is larger than 1. Looking ahead to Statement 2 it's useful to notice that this value is x=3. So not sufficient.
2) |x-3| not= 0
So x is not 3. Not sufficient on its own.
1) + 2) We had two values for x from statement 1. With statement 2, we rule out one of these solutions. We can find x, and indeed it is true that |x| < 1. Sufficient.
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Thanks, Ian. It might take a while to get used to this approach, since I'm so used to expressing as algebric equations. But it's good to know that I can think this way for approching a MOD question. BTW, when you were solving for |x+1| = 2|x-1|, I got the part where the distance between x and 1 should be twice the distance from x and -1, satisfied by 1/3. But I wouldn't have thought that a number right to 1 (that is 3)will be satisfying the equation as well. It's just that I might miss on it since I would be conceterated on any number between 1 and -1 satisfying the equaton.
Can we assume that there ALWAYS will be a number to the left and also to the right of X that will satisfy the distance.
Can we assume that there ALWAYS will be a number to the left and also to the right of X that will satisfy the distance.
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It's not an approach I'd suggest to someone writing their GMAT soon, at least not if they were already comfortable with the algebraic approach. But if you have a lot of time to prepare, when you see an absolute value question, it can't hurt to try to solve it from two points of view- algebraically, and in terms of distance. I've seen some questions (difficult level ones) where the algebraic approach is difficult, but where the distance interpretation of absolute value leads quickly to an answer.ildude02 wrote:Thanks, Ian. It might take a while to get used to this approach, since I'm so used to expressing as algebric equations.
On the number line, there are only two directions you can go: left and right. So normally there are two solutions to equations involving absolute value. There are exceptions, though, so I don't want to make this sound like an absolute rule.ildude02 wrote:Can we assume that there ALWAYS will be a number to the left and also to the right of X that will satisfy the distance.
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