I would really appreciate it if some of the great people on this board gave some advice on MBA programs I should apply to. I understand my profile is very weak because of the low GPA, no business experience and the school I attended.
I am a 26 years old Haitian male. I served 4 years in the United States Navy.
After serving in the Navy, I decided to go to school but only earned a 2.5 gpa at Old Dominion University. My major was Maritime and Supply Chain Management.
I scored 710 on the GMAT.
As far as leadership experience, I was the vice-president of International Students Christian Fellowship, we helped connect international students to the other students on campus and also we connected them with local families to help them learn and participate in the American culture. I was also the coordinator for the student propeller club, We organize a yearly golf outing to raise money to help students with study abroad cost, amongst other events.
In the military, I was a plane captain, responsible for safety and basic maintenance of a $67 million Boeing F/A 18 Superhornet during ground operations, Also responsible for pilot and ground crew safety during such operations. Also responsible to train new plane captains. Participated in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Anti-Piracy operations.
My goal is to go back to Haiti after earning my MBA to help the country recover from the horrible natural disasters of the past 5 years and the political instability of the past 30 years. This is very important to me because over 85% of educated haitians are outside the country and I plan on fighting this trend by helping the younger generations to see the country differently. To this effect me and some family members have already started an organization to help primary school children. Our goal is to grow the organization to become a model for education and social responsibility in the developing world.
I have to earn an MBA now because we are currently seeing a political and social transition in Haiti and given the political instability of the past 30 years, there is a possibility for political leaders to go back to their old habits and steal the dreams and aspirations of an entire new generation.
I am looking forward to your inputs and I thank you in advance.
Which program should I apply to?
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Hey there,
Thanks for sharing so much information. I think you're being a little negative here - sure, GPA and schools you attended but there's a lot more that goes into this! Your service in the Navy, your extracurriculars, your above average GMAT for your applicant pool, and goals really set you apart.
So I would love to help you - here's a question for you before I do, however. What do you want from an MBA? Do you want a strong network? Do you want a diverse class? Do you want a specific type of culture? Do you want a specific concentration? Obviously these are all great things to have but what's most important to you?
You have a lot of doors open ahead of you (more than you realize). So we're not in a position where we need to find the few that you can apply to, but rather, to find the ones you want to apply to!
I look forward to hearing from you!
On a side note, after the F-14, the F-18 is my second favorite fighter aircraft of all time! That's so cool that you got to work with them!
Bhavik
Thanks for sharing so much information. I think you're being a little negative here - sure, GPA and schools you attended but there's a lot more that goes into this! Your service in the Navy, your extracurriculars, your above average GMAT for your applicant pool, and goals really set you apart.
So I would love to help you - here's a question for you before I do, however. What do you want from an MBA? Do you want a strong network? Do you want a diverse class? Do you want a specific type of culture? Do you want a specific concentration? Obviously these are all great things to have but what's most important to you?
You have a lot of doors open ahead of you (more than you realize). So we're not in a position where we need to find the few that you can apply to, but rather, to find the ones you want to apply to!
I look forward to hearing from you!
On a side note, after the F-14, the F-18 is my second favorite fighter aircraft of all time! That's so cool that you got to work with them!
Bhavik
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Hey Bhavik,
I apologize for responding this late, I never realized there was an answer to this post. Also, thanks for taking your time to address my concerns.
I'm very thankful of the questions you asked, they made me think of what I actually want instead of where do I have a chance. To answer your questions, I want a program that offers a strong network, diversity and a global brand. I want a focus in general management, I also have an interest in finance. Could you elaborate on the open doors?
The F/A 18 is my favorite aircraft because well it's the one I got a chance to work on. I had a chance to see the last F-14 deployed and it was an incredibly powerful jet, even scary I would say.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Regards,
Kenny
I apologize for responding this late, I never realized there was an answer to this post. Also, thanks for taking your time to address my concerns.
I'm very thankful of the questions you asked, they made me think of what I actually want instead of where do I have a chance. To answer your questions, I want a program that offers a strong network, diversity and a global brand. I want a focus in general management, I also have an interest in finance. Could you elaborate on the open doors?
The F/A 18 is my favorite aircraft because well it's the one I got a chance to work on. I had a chance to see the last F-14 deployed and it was an incredibly powerful jet, even scary I would say.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Regards,
Kenny
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Hi Kenny,
Great to hear from you! So at a broad brush, I would say target a couple of top 10 programs (because why not?!), a couple in the 10 - 20 range, and then one or two safeties below that. Let's not beat around the bush - your GPA is a bit of a drag on the app but, like I mentioned before, you have a pretty good GMAT! So it might seem a little crazy that I'm saying go for top 10 programs but put in the time and effort and then let them tell you no if they want to. You should definitely apply.
On the flip side, let's not go crazy in the top 10 either
I would suggest Tuck and Columbia in that bracket. Both have great gen mgmt programs with slants towards finance along with strong networks. Tuck's network especially is hard to beat!
In the 10 - 20 range look into Ross, Duke, UCLA, Johnson, McCombs, and Emory. They're all really strong programs. Emory, being located in Atlanta, has easy access to a pretty vibrant Haitian network.
Below that, programs like Georgetown would give you both brand recognition as well as the academics you're looking for.
I think the two top 10 programs I mentioned are great options. There's a little bit of self reflection to narrow down the list after that based on some personal criteria by you along with how you learn best and the types of environments you thrive in.
Let me know if you have any questions!
Bhavik
Great to hear from you! So at a broad brush, I would say target a couple of top 10 programs (because why not?!), a couple in the 10 - 20 range, and then one or two safeties below that. Let's not beat around the bush - your GPA is a bit of a drag on the app but, like I mentioned before, you have a pretty good GMAT! So it might seem a little crazy that I'm saying go for top 10 programs but put in the time and effort and then let them tell you no if they want to. You should definitely apply.
On the flip side, let's not go crazy in the top 10 either
I would suggest Tuck and Columbia in that bracket. Both have great gen mgmt programs with slants towards finance along with strong networks. Tuck's network especially is hard to beat!
In the 10 - 20 range look into Ross, Duke, UCLA, Johnson, McCombs, and Emory. They're all really strong programs. Emory, being located in Atlanta, has easy access to a pretty vibrant Haitian network.
Below that, programs like Georgetown would give you both brand recognition as well as the academics you're looking for.
I think the two top 10 programs I mentioned are great options. There's a little bit of self reflection to narrow down the list after that based on some personal criteria by you along with how you learn best and the types of environments you thrive in.
Let me know if you have any questions!
Bhavik
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Hi Bhavik,
Really appreciate the great inputs. I find it very interesting that you knew about the Haitian community in Atlanta, being close to haitian community is actually very important for me since my long-term goal is to change the informal business sector in Haiti.
All of the schools you mentioned are programs that I would love to graduate from but some of them are not geographically ideal. What do you think if I replace UCLA, McCombs and Ross with Tepper, Darden and Stern?
I was actually surprised that you mentioned top 10 programs. Besides the GMAT/resume/essays, how do you think I can position myself to win an acceptance into the programs that you mentioned?
Also I will be applying in round two, Do you think that can hurt my chances anymore than the gap?
Kenny
Really appreciate the great inputs. I find it very interesting that you knew about the Haitian community in Atlanta, being close to haitian community is actually very important for me since my long-term goal is to change the informal business sector in Haiti.
All of the schools you mentioned are programs that I would love to graduate from but some of them are not geographically ideal. What do you think if I replace UCLA, McCombs and Ross with Tepper, Darden and Stern?
I was actually surprised that you mentioned top 10 programs. Besides the GMAT/resume/essays, how do you think I can position myself to win an acceptance into the programs that you mentioned?
Also I will be applying in round two, Do you think that can hurt my chances anymore than the gap?
Kenny
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Hey Kenny,
During my time in Atlanta one of my pro bono clients was a non-profit that focuses on female economic empowerment in Haiti so that's how I became introduced to that network.
As for the school substitutions, I'm fine with Tepper, but I have reservations about Darden and Stern. Both are very competitive programs (thereby adding risk to your portfolio of schools) and may not meet your personal goals. For example, Darden is case study only. Without a strong business background or at least exposure to most business concepts, you're more than likely going to find yourself struggling to grasp the basics. To get a strong general management foundation you need a mix of teaching styles. That's why Ross is such a great option (although I understand the geographic limitations). Their mix of lecture, case, and experiential curriculum is hard to beat! Stern, on the other hand, ties in the NYC area with Columbia but isn't as strong in general management. So I'd still recommend, if you're going to shoot for that bracket, to keep Columbia in and keep Stern out.
If you're interested in the NE, consider adding Johnson to the list.
As for the top 10 programs - I think you have enough differentiators that you have to try. Military, Haitian, with a strong GMAT - I know you have some red flags in your application but that's ok. You only do this once - take some risks and try for the higher ranked programs! As to your question about positioning yourself, you listed all the aspects of the application except one (recommendations). For you, it'll come down to story. You have the pieces but how you make them fit will be the difference between consideration and a ding.
As for R2, no, R2 is a perfectly fine round to apply in. Is there an advantage to R1? Yes, but it isn't going to kill your applications so don't worry about it!
Bhavik
During my time in Atlanta one of my pro bono clients was a non-profit that focuses on female economic empowerment in Haiti so that's how I became introduced to that network.
As for the school substitutions, I'm fine with Tepper, but I have reservations about Darden and Stern. Both are very competitive programs (thereby adding risk to your portfolio of schools) and may not meet your personal goals. For example, Darden is case study only. Without a strong business background or at least exposure to most business concepts, you're more than likely going to find yourself struggling to grasp the basics. To get a strong general management foundation you need a mix of teaching styles. That's why Ross is such a great option (although I understand the geographic limitations). Their mix of lecture, case, and experiential curriculum is hard to beat! Stern, on the other hand, ties in the NYC area with Columbia but isn't as strong in general management. So I'd still recommend, if you're going to shoot for that bracket, to keep Columbia in and keep Stern out.
If you're interested in the NE, consider adding Johnson to the list.
As for the top 10 programs - I think you have enough differentiators that you have to try. Military, Haitian, with a strong GMAT - I know you have some red flags in your application but that's ok. You only do this once - take some risks and try for the higher ranked programs! As to your question about positioning yourself, you listed all the aspects of the application except one (recommendations). For you, it'll come down to story. You have the pieces but how you make them fit will be the difference between consideration and a ding.
As for R2, no, R2 is a perfectly fine round to apply in. Is there an advantage to R1? Yes, but it isn't going to kill your applications so don't worry about it!
Bhavik
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Hi Bhavik,
Very interesting how you became familiar with the Haitian network in Atlanta.
Again thanks for the great feedback. I really appreciate the how you explained the school fit aspect for Stern and Darden. On my list right now by no specific order I have Tuck, Columbia, Tepper, Johnson, Duke, Emory and Georgetown. Any other schools you think I should consider before I narrow the list down to 4-5 ( I will try to visit all of these school and read as much as possible about them). I targeted more schools closer to the NE area because of the strength of the Haitian community there.
I am totally with you on the risk taking, I would rather be dinged than not apply. As far as recommendations, I have my division officer from the navy (who's actually a first year student at HBS right now) and I have some professors whom I have a great relationship with(Kind of scared of your thoughts on that one).
Kenny
Very interesting how you became familiar with the Haitian network in Atlanta.
Again thanks for the great feedback. I really appreciate the how you explained the school fit aspect for Stern and Darden. On my list right now by no specific order I have Tuck, Columbia, Tepper, Johnson, Duke, Emory and Georgetown. Any other schools you think I should consider before I narrow the list down to 4-5 ( I will try to visit all of these school and read as much as possible about them). I targeted more schools closer to the NE area because of the strength of the Haitian community there.
I am totally with you on the risk taking, I would rather be dinged than not apply. As far as recommendations, I have my division officer from the navy (who's actually a first year student at HBS right now) and I have some professors whom I have a great relationship with(Kind of scared of your thoughts on that one).
Kenny
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Hi Kenny,
I think that's a great list of schools mate. I think you're on the right track to research as much as possible - fit is critical and you'll learn a lot in the process. Not to mention, your application will be stronger for it!
As for recommendations, I think your division officer is a logical and strong choice. As for professors, I'm not averse to them but it would come down to the nature of your relationship as well as impact when you knew them. So, if all you did was go to their class, then it's not that strong. But if you worked with them on something outside of the class that was noteworthy, etc. then it's a much stronger connection. Does that make sense?
Bhavik
I think that's a great list of schools mate. I think you're on the right track to research as much as possible - fit is critical and you'll learn a lot in the process. Not to mention, your application will be stronger for it!
As for recommendations, I think your division officer is a logical and strong choice. As for professors, I'm not averse to them but it would come down to the nature of your relationship as well as impact when you knew them. So, if all you did was go to their class, then it's not that strong. But if you worked with them on something outside of the class that was noteworthy, etc. then it's a much stronger connection. Does that make sense?
Bhavik
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Bhavik,
I've done quite a bit outside of class, I organized a golf tournament and raised over $15000 for study abroad scholarship, I was also a leader in a couple of student organizations. Would those experiences be good enough to have a good impact on the recommendations?
Also I have completed an online course package based on excel called MBA Math, and I am also taking the free first year MBA courses online from Wharton. Do you think I should include them in my application? I can get a sort of transcript for both of them.
Regards,
Kenny
I've done quite a bit outside of class, I organized a golf tournament and raised over $15000 for study abroad scholarship, I was also a leader in a couple of student organizations. Would those experiences be good enough to have a good impact on the recommendations?
Also I have completed an online course package based on excel called MBA Math, and I am also taking the free first year MBA courses online from Wharton. Do you think I should include them in my application? I can get a sort of transcript for both of them.
Regards,
Kenny
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Hey Kenny,
Great to hear from you! Yes, all of that helps strengthen the recommendation but my point was more in regards to the professor's relationship with you specifically. For example, was the professor in question your advisor for the golf tournament or any of the student organizations you led? It isn't just a question of how many experiences you can provide them to write about, but how many they personally interacted with you in. It's about how well they know you. Not only because it gives admissions committees faith in what they say, but also because their recommendation will be stronger for it.
Yes, I think these things are worth mentioning in the optional essay but with tact. They aren't exactly an alternative transcript so how you phrase it will be important.
Bhavik
Great to hear from you! Yes, all of that helps strengthen the recommendation but my point was more in regards to the professor's relationship with you specifically. For example, was the professor in question your advisor for the golf tournament or any of the student organizations you led? It isn't just a question of how many experiences you can provide them to write about, but how many they personally interacted with you in. It's about how well they know you. Not only because it gives admissions committees faith in what they say, but also because their recommendation will be stronger for it.
Yes, I think these things are worth mentioning in the optional essay but with tact. They aren't exactly an alternative transcript so how you phrase it will be important.
Bhavik
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i guess before applying you need to research according to interest and career you want to build your career in.
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One has to properly research and get the program which is of your interest and apply for by researching a proper reputed institute.
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