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by [email protected] » Sun May 11, 2014 10:53 am
Why is OPTION A wrong?
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by [email protected] » Sun May 11, 2014 1:37 pm
Hi mukherjee.tanuj3,

This SC is based on a Comparison, so we have to be sure to compare "like" things and present the comparison in Parallel format.

The intent of this SC is to compare "minority graduates" to "other graduates", so we have to be sure that our answer does EXACTLY THAT.

Answer A compares "minority graduates" to "are other graduates"; it compares "a group" to the "likelihood of another group." This is not a correct comparison.

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by aditya8062 » Sun May 11, 2014 8:31 pm
[email protected] wrote:Hi mukherjee.tanuj3,

This SC is based on a Comparison, so we have to be sure to compare "like" things and present the comparison in Parallel format.

The intent of this SC is to compare "minority graduates" to "other graduates", so we have to be sure that our answer does EXACTLY THAT.

Answer A compares "minority graduates" to "are other graduates"; it compares "a group" to the "likelihood of another group." This is not a correct comparison.

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hi rich
i don't think this is a valid reason to eliminate A. the real red flag for A is on two grounds
firstly the usage "in planning to practice" is wrong.

secondly "four times more likely than" is equivalent to "five times as likely as". having said this, I do not mean that "four times more likely than" is wrong.

Rich you have said that Answer A compares "minority graduates" to "are other graduates"
however A would have been perfectly ok had it been as follows :minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates to plan on practicing......

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by [email protected] » Sun May 11, 2014 8:36 pm
[email protected] wrote:Hi mukherjee.tanuj3,

This SC is based on a Comparison, so we have to be sure to compare "like" things and present the comparison in Parallel format.

The intent of this SC is to compare "minority graduates" to "other graduates", so we have to be sure that our answer does EXACTLY THAT.

Answer A compares "minority graduates" to "are other graduates"; it compares "a group" to the "likelihood of another group." This is not a correct comparison.

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Hey Rich,

Consider the following sentence:-
City X has more criminals than does city Y.(correct)
City Y has more criminals than city Y.(wrong)(This sentence is wrong because in "X more than Y", X and Y must be parallel.)
Similarly in the sentence in question:-
Minority Grads are 4 times more likely than are other grads.....
X more likely than Y( here X and Y are parallel, therefore this sentence must be correct.)

Please explain?

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by [email protected] » Sun May 11, 2014 8:41 pm
hi rich
i don't think this is a valid reason to eliminate A. the real red flag for A is on two grounds
firstly the usage "in planning to practice" is wrong.
Hey Adi,
Why is "in planning to practice" wrong?

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by aditya8062 » Sun May 11, 2014 8:47 pm
Hey Adi,
Why is "in planning to practice" wrong?

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please note that i did not mean that "in planning to practice" is in general wrong however in option A it stands wrong. "likely" has to go with "to do"
in other words u can say that he is more likely to plan... .but u can never say :he is more likely in planning

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by GMATGuruNY » Mon May 12, 2014 2:22 am
Answer choice A, rephrased:
In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates.
The conveyed meaning is incomplete:
What exactly are minority graduates more likely TO DO?
Eliminate A.
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by [email protected] » Mon May 12, 2014 2:51 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:Answer choice A, rephrased:
In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates.
The conveyed meaning is incomplete:
What exactly are minority graduates more likely TO DO?
Eliminate A.
Minority grads are more likely IN PLANNING TO PRACTICE.

Am I wrong?

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by [email protected] » Mon May 12, 2014 2:56 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:Answer choice A, rephrased:
In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates.
The conveyed meaning is incomplete:
What exactly are minority graduates more likely TO DO?
Eliminate A.
The minority grads are more likely in planning to practice.......

Am I wrong?

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by GMATGuruNY » Mon May 12, 2014 3:16 am
[email protected] wrote:
GMATGuruNY wrote:Answer choice A, rephrased:
In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates.
The conveyed meaning is incomplete:
What exactly are minority graduates more likely TO DO?
Eliminate A.
Minority grads are more likely IN PLANNING TO PRACTICE.

Am I wrong?

Regards,
Mukherjee
The modifier for more likely MUST BE an infinitive (to + verb).
Examples:
In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely TO ACCEPT a lower wage.
In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely TO ATTEND an inner-city college.
In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely TO WORK long hours.


In A, to practice serves not as a modifier but as the direct object of PLANNING.
WHAT are the graduates planning?
They are planning TO PRACTICE.
As a result, more likely lacks the required infinitive modifier.
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by aditya8062 » Mon May 12, 2014 4:53 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:Answer choice A, rephrased:
In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates.
The conveyed meaning is incomplete:
What exactly are minority graduates more likely TO DO?
Eliminate A.
Good Day Guru
i have a little query regarding this .while rephrasing A you have made "In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas" this expression as a modifier to "minority graduates" .however in actual A this expression is attached to "other graduates"
can we do this ?
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by [email protected] » Mon May 12, 2014 5:44 am
aditya8062 wrote:
GMATGuruNY wrote:Answer choice A, rephrased:
In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates.
The conveyed meaning is incomplete:
What exactly are minority graduates more likely TO DO?
Eliminate A.
Good Day Guru
i have a little query regarding this .while rephrasing A you have made "In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas" this expression as a modifier to "minority graduates" .however in actual A this expression is attached to "other graduates"
can we do this ?
thanks and regards
Hey Adi,
Even in option A,"In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas" is describing minority graduates even though the exp is attached to other grads.
Hope it helps.

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by [email protected] » Mon May 12, 2014 5:49 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
GMATGuruNY wrote:Answer choice A, rephrased:
In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates.
The conveyed meaning is incomplete:
What exactly are minority graduates more likely TO DO?
Eliminate A.
Minority grads are more likely IN PLANNING TO PRACTICE.

Am I wrong?

Regards,
Mukherjee
The modifier for more likely MUST BE an infinitive (to + verb).
Examples:
In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely TO ACCEPT a lower wage.
In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely TO ATTEND an inner-city college.
In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely TO WORK long hours.


In A, to practice serves not as a modifier but as the direct object of PLANNING.
WHAT are the graduates planning?
They are planning TO PRACTICE.
As a result, more likely lacks the required infinitive modifier.

Hey Guru!
I have one more doubt.
Had the option C said ....as likely as other grads are to plan...., then the sentence would have been correct?


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by GMATGuruNY » Mon May 12, 2014 7:24 am
aditya8062 wrote:
GMATGuruNY wrote:Answer choice A, rephrased:
In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates.
The conveyed meaning is incomplete:
What exactly are minority graduates more likely TO DO?
Eliminate A.
Good Day Guru
i have a little query regarding this .while rephrasing A you have made "In planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas" this expression as a modifier to "minority graduates" .however in actual A this expression is attached to "other graduates"
can we do this ?
thanks and regards
Generally, more X than Y serves to compare CLAUSES.
A preposition + VERBing modifier that follows more X than Y typically will serve as an ADVERB modifying the VERB in each clause.
In A, in planning serves to indicate HOW both subjects ARE LIKELY.
Conveyed meaning:
Minority graduates ARE more LIKELY IN PLANNING than other graduates ARE LIKELY IN PLANNING.

SC22 in the OG13 offers an analogous sentence:
Plants are more efficient than fungi at acquiring carbon.
Here, at acquiring serves as an adverb, indicating HOW both subjects ARE EFFICIENT:
Conveyed meaning:
Plants are more efficient at acquiring carbon than fungi are efficient at acquiring carbon.
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by mathrupradeep » Mon May 12, 2014 9:37 am
So the IMOA isC