Achieving 780 to 800!!!

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Achieving 780 to 800!!!

by wolfpack » Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:12 am
Hi,

I am Raman, from India and am planning to give the GMAT in October'07. I feel like a small spec surrounded with an overwhelming amount of information!!

I want to know how possible is it to acheive a score between 780 to 800 in the GMAT. Is there any specific study material that I need to get myself? I currently use the Princeton OG 11th edition. What are the other resources I need to equip myself with to achieve a great score?

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by aim-wsc » Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:12 am
wow! :D
nice question. I'm too looking for that answer ;)
jokes apart, on serious note,


Dear Raman,
I think 780-800 is bit too high to get along only with reliable books/resources. You've to be naturally talented at some time of your life (/maybe earlier/ you might not be today,but you can) I'm not saying it's impossible to beat the GMAT but you cant fool this test. unless you are not feeling well/ill on test day, it shows you your actual performance. There's NO SINGLE GOLDEN rule/strategy to attack the test.

However general guidelines such as
# systematic study plan
# solving problems from reliable sources
# taking many 'timed' tests
and most importantly,
# CHECKING MISTAKES, KNOWING YOUR WEAK AREAS & WORKING ON THEM


can help you achieve 'you best'

On concluding note,
one interesting thing you might have observed about various coaching institutes
They never claim they'd help you to achieve perfect score.

think what they offer you... it's your PERSONAL BEST.


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A great score and how to get it?

by GCHall840 » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:56 am
Hi Wolfpack and aim-wsc,
I think that it is true that every GMAT test prep company tells you that they offer no guarantees about helping you to get a perfect score. But, a perfect score to me would not be an 800. It would be the score that would get me into the university that I want to go to. Actually, I think that I would take your advice, aim-wsc, about how to prepare properly for the GMAT. Studying for the GMAT is a skill that you have to master pretty much from the moment you start studying for it right down to the minute you finish taking the test. Certainly, there are several very resourceful GMAT test prep companies out there, that have lots to offer the GMAT aspirant. But, the real clue is that you have to know how to utililize those resources that you have to pay for, along with a lot of very hard work and perserverance on your part. Studying for the GMAT is really like taking an independent study course in college where you are pretty much on your own. The only thing about buying a GMAT test prep program, is that you will have a better chance of getting the score that you need on the GMAT, than if you just had some books and no systematic study plan. By the way, I would look at everything that this website has to offer. It has lots of very good resources to use, there are lots of people on here who give some really great advice, and everything on here is, free!!!

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by Neo2000 » Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:38 am
Ask yourself why do you want the score? Is it really worth it? You do realise that the GMAT is one of many parameters that collges consider and that once you are in the ballpark it doesnt matter anymore? In fact, the Stanford Admissions Director clearly mentioned in his Welcome Speech last year that they rejected every student with a score of 800.

I've heard that whatever your GMAT score,its almost equivalent to +/- 50points though how far this is true is not known.

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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:55 pm
A 780+ score is top one-half of one percentile - in other words, those who score that well score better than 99.5% of all test-takers.

Nobody on the planet could guarantee themselves such a result. Also, everyone I know personally who has scored 780 or better (including me) didn't really study for it. We're those annoying creatures who just know how to do well on these tests. Before I took the test for the first time, I took a couple of practice tests. I looked at the ones I got wrong and gave myself a slap on the head because I knew how to do them all but just made some careless mistake. Then I went in and took the test and scored a 780. I just told a guy I know from the SAT standardized testing world about ManhattanGMAT. He downloaded GMATPrep, took a couple of tests to see what it was like, signed up for the real thing, and scored an 800. (And we're now interviewing him :)) I could keep going with stories like that.

I'm sure there are some people out there who don't fit this pattern and yet scored that well - but my general feeling is that, if you're going to score 780+, you probably don't need to do very much to figure out how to do it. This is just my personal opinion, of course.

By the way, even having done it before and knowing this test inside and out, I don't always score 780+ - sometimes I "only" get a 760 or 770.

I don't want to bring you down - I think it's great to have goals! - but just be realistic about what you're talking about here. It's not like studying for a school test on which anyone can get 100% if s/he studies well enough. The GMAT uses a forced curve - only 0.5% of people are going to score that well no matter what.
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by wolfpack » Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:32 pm
Hi all,

Thanks a million for your valuable inputs. Each of you have helped me realise what the whole test is all about. :P . I hope to get a good score with lots of practice and also by utilising the fantastic resources that this website has to offer.

I thank you all for your advise.

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by BlueHappy » Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:18 pm
Just wondering how large is the variance?
760-790 is pretty good spread in terms of score accurancy
Stacey Koprince wrote:A 780+ score is top one-half of one percentile - in other words, those who score that well score better than 99.5% of all test-takers.

Nobody on the planet could guarantee themselves such a result. Also, everyone I know personally who has scored 780 or better (including me) didn't really study for it. We're those annoying creatures who just know how to do well on these tests. Before I took the test for the first time, I took a couple of practice tests. I looked at the ones I got wrong and gave myself a slap on the head because I knew how to do them all but just made some careless mistake. Then I went in and took the test and scored a 780. I just told a guy I know from the SAT standardized testing world about ManhattanGMAT. He downloaded GMATPrep, took a couple of tests to see what it was like, signed up for the real thing, and scored an 800. (And we're now interviewing him :)) I could keep going with stories like that.

I'm sure there are some people out there who don't fit this pattern and yet scored that well - but my general feeling is that, if you're going to score 780+, you probably don't need to do very much to figure out how to do it. This is just my personal opinion, of course.

By the way, even having done it before and knowing this test inside and out, I don't always score 780+ - sometimes I "only" get a 760 or 770.

I don't want to bring you down - I think it's great to have goals! - but just be realistic about what you're talking about here. It's not like studying for a school test on which anyone can get 100% if s/he studies well enough. The GMAT uses a forced curve - only 0.5% of people are going to score that well no matter what.

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by Bara » Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:20 pm
I agree with all the points my colleagues and BTG folks are saying about taking the test: especially knowing your weaknesses and that 800 isn't 'all that.' I just met a Wharton admissions person, who concurred that the GMAT score is part of your package, albeit an important part, but that a 800 doesn't guarantee anything.

I'll add to this post that you not ONLY need to master the material, but you also have to 'show up' on test day feeing your best and getting into the test taking 'zone.' If you don't, your score will most likely be adversely affected.

Those of us in the field who go into take the test, or take diagnostics, do well, in part, because we don't have anything at stake: we're not applying to school and no one is judging us. We are there to learn the test with a 'researchers' mind. With the pressure off, we get to be our best without even 'trying.' It's easy. I'm sure you can thnk of some non-testing situations like this, too.

I'm immediately reminded of how someone once called me to audition for a play, and I went, not knowing the director was 'the S--t', and I was completely relaxed and centered. After a really solid performance, I had a great conversation with the director and got the part! Only after did I find out who she was and that this audition, and getting the part, was a really HUGE deal (in the world of music and theater!)

SO: what are you going to do to have peak performance? How will you remain calm in the face of such a momentous task? Do you have a practice to help you get in the zone?

As recent as last week, a study about meditation conducted at The American University, found statistically significant results among college students who engaged in a Transcendental Meditation technique. They found incorporation of this practice could be of substantial value for anyone facing an intense and challenging learning environment. The study indicated that the students who practiced this meditation practice had a higher score of 'brain integration' which means they had higher emotional stability, higher moral reasoning, more openness to experience, and decreased anxiety. Sounds like a pretty good state to enter the GMAT, huh?!

These statistics as well as others, show that it's no surprise that whether by hypnosis, NLP, meditation, guided visualization, a religious practice, physical and creative activity, these wellness methods offer an overall benefit to your health AND the test-taking mind. They assist you in staying calm in high-stakes situations, like taking the GMAT, and doing the best you're able to do. It's also very possible that in this state, that you'll surpass your previous performances! I've seen it.

So hit the books, and make sure you also give yourself time and space to be a human 'being' instead of human 'doing.' The being-ness will help give you the present of mind, and laser focus that will help you become a master GMAT test taker. And when you really put forth ALL your effort in studying and being fully 'present' in the moment, you get to perform your best, as well as gain acceptance and peace of mind, really knowing you did your very best: be it scoring a 600, 690, 720 or a 790.

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by GMATCreature » Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:29 pm
Just wanted to respond to Stacey's note above. I scored a 640 the first time I took the Powerprep (official GMAC) computer-adaptive practice test. I studied on and off for several months and ended up scoring a 780 the one and only time I took the actual GMAT. So, to those of you who did not score a 780 the first time you cracked open a practice test, do not lose heart. Maybe Stacey and her friends are more typical of 780 scorers than I am, but it's not necessarily the case that you just natively can do it or cannot do it.

Don't get me wrong, I've always done very well on standardized tests and this was nothing terribly out of the ordinary for me, percentile-wise; but you can raise your score significantly, and you can even raise it to a 780, if you jam on it and have at least some record of strong performance in past standardized tests.

Also, just for the record if you are looking to compare your own experience to mine, I was 99th percentile on verbal from day one; it is only the math that I improved on by studying/taking practice tests. And I'd been out of school and not dealing with numbers for a good 8 years or so; I was very good with them back in the day and my low initial score may just have reflected my long dormant period. I really hadn't taken math since high school. There is a lot on the math that you have to learn; I can guarantee you even whizzes like Stacey couldn't have intuited them if they hadn't learned them at some point. It took mankind thousands of years of building off each others' knowledge to discern a lot of these concepts. You can't be expected to do it on your own in a minute and 45 seconds. If you're not scoring well right now you may just never have learned them. Pick up materials and learn them.

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by Stacey Koprince » Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:02 pm
GMATCreature, you make many very good points. I should point out that, when I say those of us who score 780+ don't need to do all that much, it's not because we have a magical, innate ability to figure anything out in 60 seconds. (I also want to point out that we are talking 780+, not "merely" 99th percentile. There is a difference. Even me with my 780 - I'm not sure that I'll ever score an 800 on the real thing!)

When I see a new problem, 99% of the time, I can make a connection with another problem I've done before. I'm almost never really doing a "new" problem at this point (and this was true when I took the GMAT for the first time, too). Most of the time, it's "right, this is like these two other problems I've seen in the past and I can use this part of the first solution method for this and that part of the second solution method for that, and I'm confident it works (because I've used it before) and I also know the fastest way to do it and now I'm done."

How does this happen? We're fascinated by standardized tests. We don't just do problems. We analyze them to death, well beyond what anyone would do who doesn't work in the industry. We figure out how they're written and why they're written the way they are. And we're doing this long before someone ever pays us to do this because we're just fascinated by this stuff. That's why, the first time I took the test, I didn't have to do much - I'd been analyzing these kinds of things from the time I first started taking standardized tests and I already had a large base of knowledge off of which to work.

That absolutely does not mean that someone who doesn't have the above characteristics cannot score 780+. Not only is it possible, I'm sure it has happened. I've had students score as high as 770. If you don't already have the above characteristics, though, the whole fascination with these tests and a willingness to analyze them to death, then I'd argue that you're going to have to develop these things in order to have a good shot at that kind of score. Even you, GMATCreature - you were 99th percentile on verbal from day one. How'd that happen? :)
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by chris@knewton » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:18 am
BlueHappy -- to answer your question, the standard error of measurement for the GMAT is 29 points (which is actually a pretty good mark of reliability). That represents the variance in multiple assessments not attributable to learning. So, if you were to take the test three times in a week without any studying, your scores should be +/- 29 points.

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