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 Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:46 am Post subject: why "while willing" is wrong in Q 68, OG11 |
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//Unlike computer skill or other technicle skills, there is a disinclination on the part of many people to recognize the degree to which their analytical skills are week//
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b,unlike computer skills or other technical skills, which they admit they lack, many people are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak
c,Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, analytical skills bring out a disinclination in many people to recognize that they are weak to a degree
d,Many people, willing to admit that they lack computer skills or other technical skills, are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak
e,many people have a disinclination to recognize tht weakness of their analytical skills while willing to admit their lack of computer skills or other technical skills
I do not understand " while willing creates incomplete construction" as explain by OG 11. pls help |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:08 am Post subject: |
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IMO, the answer is D.
Since WHILE is being used as a conjunction here(conveys the meaning - at the same time), by reading the sentence you feel something is missing.
For example -
While you're up, close the door.
Please correct me if I am wrong and do tell the OA.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: why "while willing" is wrong in Q 68, OG11 |
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| duongthang wrote: | //Unlike computer skill or other technicle skills, there is a disinclination on the part of many people to recognize the degree to which their analytical skills are week//
a,
b,unlike computer skills or other technical skills, which they admit they lack, many people are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak
c,Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, analytical skills bring out a disinclination in many people to recognize that they are weak to a degree
d,Many people, willing to admit that they lack computer skills or other technical skills, are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak
e,many people have a disinclination to recognize tht weakness of their analytical skills while willing to admit their lack of computer skills or other technical skills
I do not understand " while willing creates incomplete construction" as explain by OG 11. pls help |
Please note that willing is "ing" modifier....without comma....
And "ing" modifier without comma modifies the noun immediately preceding it....
Thus here "while willing" is actually modifying "analytical skills" if we go by the logic of immediately preceding noun.... or atmax "weakness of Analytical skills"....if we go by noun phrase logic...
Thus the above "while willing" is wrongly placed...as opposed to "D" in which it is rightly placed.... |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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No
while learning English, I talk to her
this is correct and similar to E
so, why "while willing" in E is wrong, pls help |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| duongthang wrote: | No
while learning English, I talk to her
this is correct and similar to E
so, why "while willing" in E is wrong, pls help |
Hi duongthang,
IMO the following two sentences are two different things:
1. while learning English, I talk to her.....here while modifies I
2. I talk to her while learning English...here While modifies....her...
IMO #2 could have been better....if it would have been like
"I, while learning English, talk to her"
Please correct me if I am wrong. |
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I do not understand
in E, "while willing " modify "I" and is correct, not wrong
why ETS said it is wrong |
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| duongthang wrote: | I do not understand
in E, "while willing " modify "I" and is correct, not wrong
why ETS said it is wrong |
Sorry I do not think I able to understand what you meant in the above post...Can you please make it a bit clear.... |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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I think that "while willing" is correct in E because the sentence will be
"many people have .... while willing to..."
E may be wrong because it use "have a disinclination..."which is wordy and not direct but it can not be wrong because it has "while willing..."
but OG explanation said that "while willing" there is wrong. Pls help me understand this point. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| duongthang wrote: | I think that "while willing" is correct in E because the sentence will be
"many people have .... while willing to..."
E may be wrong because it use "have a disinclination..."which is wordy and not direct but it can not be wrong because it has "while willing..."
but OG explanation said that "while willing" there is wrong. Pls help me understand this point. |
IMO as I wrote in the earlier post....Experts kindly tell is there anything more to it ......
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Please note that willing is "ing" modifier....without comma....
And "ing" modifier without comma modifies the noun immediately preceding it....
here "while willing" is actually modifying "analytical skills" if we go by the logic of immediately preceding noun.... or atmax "weakness of Analytical skills"....if we go by noun phrase logic...
Thus the above "while willing" is wrongly placed...as opposed to "D" in which it is rightly placed.... |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| goelmohit2002 wrote: | | duongthang wrote: | I think that "while willing" is correct in E because the sentence will be
"many people have .... while willing to..."
E may be wrong because it use "have a disinclination..."which is wordy and not direct but it can not be wrong because it has "while willing..."
but OG explanation said that "while willing" there is wrong. Pls help me understand this point. |
IMO as I wrote in the earlier post....Experts kindly tell is there anything more to it ......
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Please note that willing is "ing" modifier....without comma....
And "ing" modifier without comma modifies the noun immediately preceding it....
here "while willing" is actually modifying "analytical skills" if we go by the logic of immediately preceding noun.... or atmax "weakness of Analytical skills"....if we go by noun phrase logic...
Thus the above "while willing" is wrongly placed...as opposed to "D" in which it is rightly placed.... |
So, if we, slightly, change the E to remove "have a disinclination" to "are disinclined"
d,Many people, willing to admit that they lack computer skills or other technical skills, are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak
e,many people are disinclined to recognize the weakness of their analytical skills while willing to admit their lack of computer skills or other technical skills
Will this make E correct? |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: |
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IMO still D will win....because E still suffers the same problem as of original E....i.e.
""while willing" is actually modifying "analytical skills" if we go by the logic of immediately preceding noun.... or atmax "weakness of Analytical skills"....if we go by noun phrase logic...
Thus the above "while willing" is wrongly placed...as opposed to "D" in which it is rightly placed...."
Please tell if I am missing something here. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| goelmohit2002 wrote: | IMO still D will win....because E still suffers the same problem as of original E....i.e.
""while willing" is actually modifying "analytical skills" if we go by the logic of immediately preceding noun.... or atmax "weakness of Analytical skills"....if we go by noun phrase logic...
Thus the above "while willing" is wrongly placed...as opposed to "D" in which it is rightly placed...."
Please tell if I am missing something here. |
Actually, I guess I'm confused here... In your earlier post, you mentioned that you think "while willing" is correct in this sentence but sentence has some other problems ... but now, it is "while willing" which is making it wrong...
Could you pls help in understand? |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:28 am Post subject: Re: why "while willing" is wrong in Q 68, OG11 |
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| duongthang wrote: | //Unlike computer skill or other technicle skills, there is a disinclination on the part of many people to recognize the degree to which their analytical skills are week//
a,
b,unlike computer skills or other technical skills, which they admit they lack, many people are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak
c,Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, analytical skills bring out a disinclination in many people to recognize that they are weak to a degree
d,Many people, willing to admit that they lack computer skills or other technical skills, are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak
e,many people have a disinclination to recognize tht weakness of their analytical skills while willing to admit their lack of computer skills or other technical skills
I do not understand " while willing creates incomplete construction" as explain by OG 11. pls help |
While - is a subordinate conjunction ...
Main Clause + Subordinate Conjunction + Subordinate clause...
in Choice E ...
Main Clause is "many people have a disinclination to recognize tht weakness of their analytical skills"
Subordinate Conjunction - "While"
And the
Subordinate Clause is - "willing to admit their lack of computer skills or other technical skills" --- IS IT A CLAUSE? it's missing subject and verb...
The correct construction is
"THEY ARE willing to admit their lack of computer skills or other technical skills"
For this reason, OG says that "while willing" creates incomplete construction...
Hope this helps... |
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Hi Ashwani,
This looks logical...but it looks like there is something more to it....Please see the following question from OG-10, Q233. Here OA is "C". But the sentence following the "while" does not have subject in the same. Is there some exception to the rule that you mentioned....
Overall the rule that you mentioned looks to be pretty much followed by OG. Thanks for telling about the rule.
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Recently implemented "shift-work equations" based on studies of the human sleep cycle have reduced sickness, sleeping on the job, fatigue among shift workers, and have raised production efficiency in various industries.
(A) fatigue among shift workers, and have raised
(B) fatigue among shift workers, and raised
(C) and fatigue among shift workers while raising
(D) lowered fatigue among shift workers, and raised
(E) and fatigue among shift workers was lowered while raising |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| goelmohit2002 wrote: | Hi Ashwani,
This looks logical...but it looks like there is something more to it....Please see the following question from OG-10, Q233. Here OA is "C". But the sentence following the "while" does not have subject in the same. Is there some exception to the rule that you mentioned....
Overall the rule that you mentioned looks to be pretty much followed by OG. Thanks for telling about the rule.
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Recently implemented "shift-work equations" based on studies of the human sleep cycle have reduced sickness, sleeping on the job, fatigue among shift workers, and have raised production efficiency in various industries.
(A) fatigue among shift workers, and have raised
(B) fatigue among shift workers, and raised
(C) and fatigue among shift workers while raising
(D) lowered fatigue among shift workers, and raised
(E) and fatigue among shift workers was lowered while raising |
OK...Let's remove some extra stuff ... and Let me ask you two questions ...
Recently implemented "shift-work equations" based on studies of the human sleep cycle have reduced sickness, sleeping on the job, and fatigue among shift workers while raising production efficiency in various industries.
---> What is the subject of this sentence? And What else can be thought as a subject?
Many people have a disinclination to recognize the weakness of their analytical skills while willing to admit their lack of computer skills or other technical skills [THIS IS AN INCORRECT SENTENCE...PRESENTED ONLY FOR DISCUSSION]
Same question goes here ...
---> What is the subject of this sentence? And What else can be thought as a subject? |
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