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by iamcste » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:01 am
Stacey Koprince wrote: Criticizing someone or some idea means that the author actually thinks the person or idea is wrong / misguided and the author believes something else to be a better idea.

Calling some idea into question means that the author is questioning whether this idea is true, but the author is not necessarily saying that he thinks that idea is wrong - he's just not sure it's right.

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As I was trying to understand these terms, I have few follow up question

1. Can you define these terms in terms of evidence provided...I know for sure that when it is call into question- author will provide evidence against the particular idea? what does the author do in terms of evidence when he criticizes a particular idea?

2. when author blames some one, does he criticize or call into question?

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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:27 pm
We're getting into dangerous territory here - you're asking me for definite rules about something that is really about interpretation. So we can't just say "it'll always be this way," unfortunately.

I can't say, for example, that the author will ALWAYS provide evidence against the particular idea, but the author will somehow have to convey the fact that he thinks this theory or idea is not the best one. In these passages, the author will usually either provide evidence against the "wrong" idea or provide evidence for the "right" idea or both.

I can't think of an example in which an author is "blaming" someone, but I would generally think that, if the author is blaming someone for something, then that falls into the "criticism" category.
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by iamcste » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:50 pm
GMATPrep RC Main Idea question 1

[spoiler]1. Please let me know why E is preferred to A.

2. also if the option A were "evaluate the amounts of damage caused by storms such as northeaster and hurricanes", would it be correct?

3. the amounts in option A refers to extent of damage and not loss in $ due to damage, what do you think?[/spoiler]
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by rockeyb » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:12 pm
iamcste wrote:GMATPrep RC Main Idea question 1

[spoiler]1. Please let me know why E is preferred to A.

2. also if the option A were "evaluate the amounts of damage caused by storms such as northeaster and hurricanes", would it be correct?

3. the amounts in option A refers to extent of damage and not loss in $ due to damage, what do you think?[/spoiler]
I would try to answer your query here it goes .

(1)Option (A) says that evaluate the damage caused by different type of storms .

Now the question is a main idea question and different type of storms are only used as example to explain the complexity about the storm study .

So make a note that in main idea questions and example or an answer related to the example is never the correct answer .

This is the classic case where test makers lure you to choose the wrong answer .

Also If you just read the first para without looking at the clock and try to summarize it in your own words you will find that it only explains why certain type of storms are more studied .

Remember more often than not the first paragraph sets the tone and idea of the passage.

(2) . NO for the same reason because examples can never be the central idea of a passage.

(3) Losses in $ is never mentioned in the passage and thinking on those lines would certainly be out of the scope of passage.

Hope this helps.
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by iamcste » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:20 pm
Inference question is moved to a separate thread

https://www.beatthegmat.com/inference-qu ... 54658.html
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by iamcste » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:56 pm
1. explain your pick and why other options are incorrect

2. can you explain the statement- "Other scholars, however, have portrayed organized labour as defending all along the relatively priviliged position of white workers relative to African American workers"..does thi mean unions instigate racism

3. How does the second passage connect to the first passages- does it give reasons for failiure of war time alliance?


Some historians contend that conditions
in the United States during the
Second World War gave rise to a
dynamic wartime alliance between
trade unions and the African American
community, an alliance that advanced
the cause of civil rights. They conclude
that the postwar demise of this
vital alliance constituted a lost oppor-
tunity for the civil rights movement that
followed the war. Other scholars,
however, have portrayed organized
labor as defending all along the relatively
privileged position of White
workers relative to African American
workers. Clearly, these two perspectives
are not easily reconcilable, but
the historical reality is not reducible
to one or the other.

Unions faced a choice between
either maintaining the prewar status
quo or promoting a more inclusive
approach that sought for all members
the right to participate in the internal
affairs of unions, access to skilled
and high-paying positions within the
occupational hierarchy, and protection
against management's arbitrary
authority in the workplace. While
union representatives often voiced
this inclusive ideal, in practice unions
far more often favored entrenched
interests. The accelerating development
of the civil rights movement
following the Second World War
exacerbated the union's dilemma,
forcing trade unionists to confront
contradictions in their own practices.


The passage is primarily concerned with

a. providing a context within which to evaluate opposing viewpoints about a historic phenomenon
b. identifying a flawed assumption underlying one interpretation of a historical phenomenon
c. assessing the merits and weaknesses of a controversial theory about a historical phenomenon
d. discussing the historical importance of the development of a wartime alliance
e. evaluating evidence used to support a particular interpretation of a historical phenomenon
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by Stacey Koprince » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:46 am
Hi, guys

FYI - if you want experts to respond, then please follow forum guidelines (copy and paste the text into the body of your message; don't just load a screen shot). This rule exists because, when we hit "reply to post," we can only see the text of prior posts down below while we respond - we can't see the text of any images or screen shots. We have a lot of posts to answer in a short period of time, so we're not able to take the time to go back and forth over multiple screens, especially for multiple long screen shots.

Which brings us to another forum guideline to follow: new post for each problem. It's okay to post multiple problems for the same passage in one thread, but it becomes very confusing very quickly if multiple passages are posted - and that's even more true when the problems are of different types. (For example, two of the above questions are main idea questions, but the third is an inference question.)
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by iamcste » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:22 am
Stacey Koprince wrote:Hi, guys

FYI - if you want experts to respond, then please follow forum guidelines (copy and paste the text into the body of your message; don't just load a screen shot). This rule exists because, when we hit "reply to post," we can only see the text of prior posts down below while we respond - we can't see the text of any images or screen shots. We have a lot of posts to answer in a short period of time, so we're not able to take the time to go back and forth over multiple screens, especially for multiple long screen shots.

Which brings us to another forum guideline to follow: new post for each problem. It's okay to post multiple problems for the same passage in one thread, but it becomes very confusing very quickly if multiple passages are posted - and that's even more true when the problems are of different types. (For example, two of the above questions are main idea questions, but the third is an inference question.)
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by gmatmachoman » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:50 am
iamcste wrote:Please choose and explain your picks for this GMATprep RC question
IMO B

AT the end of the passage, an example is given stating there is bias towards middleclass women over working class women.

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by gmatmachoman » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:03 am
iamcste wrote:1. explain your pick and why other options are incorrect

2. can you explain the statement- "Other scholars, however, have portrayed organized labour as defending all along the relatively priviliged position of white workers relative to African American workers"..does thi mean unions instigate racism

3. How does the second passage connect to the first passages- does it give reasons for failiure of war time alliance?
My Pick : A

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by Stacey Koprince » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:49 pm
Ah, I see, you edited the original post of the passage - great, thanks. You're probably in the midst of editing the other one (it's still showing as a screen shot), so I'll just do the Historians passage now.

Summary (done as I read for the first time):
P1
Some ppl say that WW2 --> alliance bet. unions and AfAm --> civil rights
[this language sounds like the author is going to believe something else is true - or, at least, the author is going to talk about someone else who believes something else]
end of war = end of alliance = lost opp. for civil rights
Others [here we go!] say unions helped W not AfAm [so, this contradicts the ppl in the first line of the summary above]
Author [last sentence]: it's not clear that one view is right

P2
Unions had choice: (1) maintain prewar view (which is? W?), or (2) include everyone [okay, so the "prewar view" was probably favoring W]
Union reps said they were inclusive, but really weren't so much.
Post-war civil rights made this dichotomy even more pronounced.

Question. Main Idea.
A. maybe. vague, but nothing obviously wrong. keep reading.
B. no. not *primarily* about identifying a flaw for just one of the sides
C. no. there are two theories, not just one.
D. no. the "wartime alliance" is only ONE of the theories. where's the other?
E. no. no evidence. there are two interpretations, not just one.

For your 2nd question - I wouldn't necessarily interpret that as unions instigating racism, but it does say that they are favoring W over AfAm. Are they doing that for racist reasons? Maybe - and probably, at least partially, from what we know of history. But the passage doesn't say anything about that, so I'm not speculating - I'm not supposed to bring in outside knowledge.

Is your third question supposed to say "paragraph" instead of "passage"? If so, let me know. If not, can you clarify your question - I'm not sure how you're asking to connect the two different passages?
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by gmatmachoman » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:07 pm
Stacey Koprince wrote:Ah, I see, you edited the original post of the passage - great, thanks. You're probably in the midst of editing the other one (it's still showing as a screen shot), so I'll just do the Historians passage now.

Summary (done as I read for the first time):
P1
Some ppl say that WW2 --> alliance bet. unions and AfAm --> civil rights
[this language sounds like the author is going to believe something else is true - or, at least, the author is going to talk about someone else who believes something else]
end of war = end of alliance = lost opp. for civil rights
Others [here we go!] say unions helped W not AfAm [so, this contradicts the ppl in the first line of the summary above]
Author [last sentence]: it's not clear that one view is right

P2
Unions had choice: (1) maintain prewar view (which is? W?), or (2) include everyone [okay, so the "prewar view" was probably favoring W]
Union reps said they were inclusive, but really weren't so much.
Post-war civil rights made this dichotomy even more pronounced.

Question. Main Idea.
A. maybe. vague, but nothing obviously wrong. keep reading.
B. no. not *primarily* about identifying a flaw for just one of the sides
C. no. there are two theories, not just one.
D. no. the "wartime alliance" is only ONE of the theories. where's the other?
E. no. no evidence. there are two interpretations, not just one.

For your 2nd question - I wouldn't necessarily interpret that as unions instigating racism, but it does say that they are favoring W over AfAm. Are they doing that for racist reasons? Maybe - and probably, at least partially, from what we know of history. But the passage doesn't say anything about that, so I'm not speculating - I'm not supposed to bring in outside knowledge.

Is your third question supposed to say "paragraph" instead of "passage"? If so, let me know. If not, can you clarify your question - I'm not sure how you're asking to connect the two different passages?
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whats the answer?? I opted A!!

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by Stacey Koprince » Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:54 pm
Ah, I should have specified. When I look back up at my rating of each choice, four are "no" and one is "maybe" so the "maybe" (A) wins.
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by gmatmachoman » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:04 pm
Stacey Koprince wrote:Ah, I should have specified. When I look back up at my rating of each choice, four are "no" and one is "maybe" so the "maybe" (A) wins.
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Oh..Its good see that My answer is correct! Thx!!