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Q45 (59th percentile) V47 IR8 730 holds up for INSEAD?

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Q45 (59th percentile) V47 IR8 730 holds up for INSEAD?

Post Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:58 am
I'm worried that INSEAD (my first choice) will be off-put by the relatively low quant percentile (59). They have been on record saying that they strongly prefer applicants that score in the 70th percentile or above on the quant side of the test.

That said, I did get a perfect 8 in IR. Any idea as to whether this can offset a lowish quant score? Also the 730 is 25 points above their average. On the other hand I was a philosophy major and the only two math-heavy classes I took I got a D and a C in respectively, so that doesn't help.

Also I wonder whether INSEAD takes into account the changes in percentiles over the years. I think they first started saying that they wanted applicants to be in the 70th percentile or above back in 2010 or so, when a 45q would have been good for 69th percentile or something. In 2000, it would have been 80th! So, do they tighten up their standards on this point every year when the score required to get a 70th percentile increases? Or do they just mean that you need mid 40s at least? And why would they say that want applicants to be in a certain percentile knowing that percentiles are constantly changing? It would be a lot less confusing if they just said "we want you to score x."

A few other fun facts about my profile:
-30 year old American male
-3.5 GPA from top 70 liberal arts college. Cum Laude. Honors on thesis. Philosophy honors society. Varsity lacrosse.
-Have lived in Latin America since I graduated college in 2009 (1 year in Colombia and 6 in El Salvador)
-Co-Founder and Co-CEO (with my brother) of the largest daily deal (think groupon type site) in El Salvador since late 2010. Expanded to Guatemala in 2012 and became the largest daily deal site there one year later, a position we have not relinquished since.
-27 employees, over a 100k users, 6k deals with about 1200 companies.Profitable since 2011. 5m gross sales last year.

Other random stuff:
-Captain and 3-way starter on an American football team in El Salvador from 2011-2015. Played multiple games as the national selection against the national teams from Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras and Guatemala. Also volunteer as an assistant coach for the national team now that they don't let gringos play on it.
-Spent a summer in college taking care of pumas, jaguars and other jungle critters on a Bolivian wildlife refuge
-Worked briefly as male model in Colombia
-Worked briefly as a crossfit coach and came in second in the team portion of the Latam crossfit regional games in 2010.
-Spent semester abroad in Chile
-Have visited maybe 25 countries
-Avid skier. Avid (but still not very good) surfer

Thanks guys.

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Just retook the test. Improved to 740 with a Q48, thus breaking the 70th percentile barrier (albeit barely). Verbal dropped a couple points to 44, but who cares?

I'm really happy I took your guys' advice and went with a retake. I'll definitely be sleeping easier knowing that this box has been checked.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to respond.

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Thanks for sharing.

You have a very interesting profile that would show a good fit for INSEAD. Regarding the GMAT Quant score, if you don't improve on it, use the essays to show more of the analytical work that went into launching your venture and its success. Highlighting your ability to work with numbers (e.g. budgets, feasibility studies, marketing analytics) and comfortably presenting them to clients and stakeholders. This would help assure INSEAD that you would be able to keep up with the academics and benefit from the program.

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Just retook the test. Improved to 740 with a Q48, thus breaking the 70th percentile barrier (albeit barely). Verbal dropped a couple points to 44, but who cares?

I'm really happy I took your guys' advice and went with a retake. I'll definitely be sleeping easier knowing that this box has been checked.

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Thanks for sharing.

You have a very interesting profile that would show a good fit for INSEAD. Regarding the GMAT Quant score, if you don't improve on it, use the essays to show more of the analytical work that went into launching your venture and its success. Highlighting your ability to work with numbers (e.g. budgets, feasibility studies, marketing analytics) and comfortably presenting them to clients and stakeholders. This would help assure INSEAD that you would be able to keep up with the academics and benefit from the program.

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Dinged without interview. Encouraged to apply to the GEMBA program, which appears to be significantly more expensive.

I'm extremely confused.

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Post Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:04 pm
Caiman11 wrote:
Just retook the test. Improved to 740 with a Q48, thus breaking the 70th percentile barrier (albeit barely). Verbal dropped a couple points to 44, but who cares?

I'm really happy I took your guys' advice and went with a retake. I'll definitely be sleeping easier knowing that this box has been checked.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to respond.
Congratulations! I know that is a big relief! And yes- don't worry about the verbal drop- you have the Q48 you wanted and that shows that you can do it. I'm really happy for you!

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Caiman11 wrote:
I'm worried that INSEAD (my first choice) will be off-put by the relatively low quant percentile (59). They have been on record saying that they strongly prefer applicants that score in the 70th percentile or above on the quant side of the test.

That said, I did get a perfect 8 in IR. Any idea as to whether this can offset a lowish quant score? Also the 730 is 25 points above their average. On the other hand I was a philosophy major and the only two math-heavy classes I took I got a D and a C in respectively, so that doesn't help.

Also I wonder whether INSEAD takes into account the changes in percentiles over the years. I think they first started saying that they wanted applicants to be in the 70th percentile or above back in 2010 or so, when a 45q would have been good for 69th percentile or something. In 2000, it would have been 80th! So, do they tighten up their standards on this point every year when the score required to get a 70th percentile increases? Or do they just mean that you need mid 40s at least? And why would they say that want applicants to be in a certain percentile knowing that percentiles are constantly changing? It would be a lot less confusing if they just said "we want you to score x."

A few other fun facts about my profile:
-30 year old American male
-3.5 GPA from top 70 liberal arts college. Cum Laude. Honors on thesis. Philosophy honors society. Varsity lacrosse.
-Have lived in Latin America since I graduated college in 2009 (1 year in Colombia and 6 in El Salvador)
-Co-Founder and Co-CEO (with my brother) of the largest daily deal (think groupon type site) in El Salvador since late 2010. Expanded to Guatemala in 2012 and became the largest daily deal site there one year later, a position we have not relinquished since.
-27 employees, over a 100k users, 6k deals with about 1200 companies.Profitable since 2011. 5m gross sales last year.

Other random stuff:
-Captain and 3-way starter on an American football team in El Salvador from 2011-2015. Played multiple games as the national selection against the national teams from Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras and Guatemala. Also volunteer as an assistant coach for the national team now that they don't let gringos play on it.
-Spent a summer in college taking care of pumas, jaguars and other jungle critters on a Bolivian wildlife refuge
-Worked briefly as male model in Colombia
-Worked briefly as a crossfit coach and came in second in the team portion of the Latam crossfit regional games in 2010.
-Spent semester abroad in Chile
-Have visited maybe 25 countries
-Avid skier. Avid (but still not very good) surfer

Thanks guys.
The 'fun facts' about your profile are really fun Smile

On a more serious note, you should have enough in your profile to be able to get a look in even if the quant part is below the 70th percentile. While that is certainly guidance that INSEAD provides, they have in the past been quite willing to accommodate slightly lower scores, and at Q47, you aren't far behind their expectation. Your other experiences are pretty solid, and your quantitative/analytical ability (which is all they are worried about really when they 70th percentile) is quite evident.

That said, if you have already decided to go ahead with a retake, that's fine, but just in case your quant score does not rise, don't worry too much about it.

All the best and feel free to come back with more questions as needed.

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If you can accommodate a re-test and improve the Quant score, then it's the ideal way. All the best.

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Post Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:44 am
Thanks for the reply. I'm thinking it's too late to take any math classes before the application deadline. Probably going to take the test again in a couple weeks and hopefully get a 48 or a 49 on the quant side. It's obviously kind of a pain, but I don't see a big downside.

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Caiman11 wrote:
I'm worried that INSEAD (my first choice) will be off-put by the relatively low quant percentile (59). They have been on record saying that they strongly prefer applicants that score in the 70th percentile or above on the quant side of the test.

That said, I did get a perfect 8 in IR. Any idea as to whether this can offset a lowish quant score? Also the 730 is 25 points above their average. On the other hand I was a philosophy major and the only two math-heavy classes I took I got a D and a C in respectively, so that doesn't help.

Also I wonder whether INSEAD takes into account the changes in percentiles over the years. I think they first started saying that they wanted applicants to be in the 70th percentile or above back in 2010 or so, when a 45q would have been good for 69th percentile or something. In 2000, it would have been 80th! So, do they tighten up their standards on this point every year when the score required to get a 70th percentile increases? Or do they just mean that you need mid 40s at least? And why would they say that want applicants to be in a certain percentile knowing that percentiles are constantly changing? It would be a lot less confusing if they just said "we want you to score x."

A few other fun facts about my profile:
-30 year old American male
-3.5 GPA from top 70 liberal arts college. Cum Laude. Honors on thesis. Philosophy honors society. Varsity lacrosse.
-Have lived in Latin America since I graduated college in 2009 (1 year in Colombia and 6 in El Salvador)
-Co-Founder and Co-CEO (with my brother) of the largest daily deal (think groupon type site) in El Salvador since late 2010. Expanded to Guatemala in 2012 and became the largest daily deal site there one year later, a position we have not relinquished since.
-27 employees, over a 100k users, 6k deals with about 1200 companies.Profitable since 2011. 5m gross sales last year.

Other random stuff:
-Captain and 3-way starter on an American football team in El Salvador from 2011-2015. Played multiple games as the national selection against the national teams from Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras and Guatemala. Also volunteer as an assistant coach for the national team now that they don't let gringos play on it.
-Spent a summer in college taking care of pumas, jaguars and other jungle critters on a Bolivian wildlife refuge
-Worked briefly as male model in Colombia
-Worked briefly as a crossfit coach and came in second in the team portion of the Latam crossfit regional games in 2010.
-Spent semester abroad in Chile
-Have visited maybe 25 countries
-Avid skier. Avid (but still not very good) surfer

Thanks guys.
So I'd say focus on what you can control- your awesome background and interesting life and work- built a very successful business, great cross-cultural experience etc. I think the 730 is most important- no one is going to be perfect in every area- and if they are.... they are at Stanford Smile If you did want to shore up the quant take calculus, stat, financial accounting or microeconomics and get A's .... not C's and D's... but I think with your work experience you are ready to go. Don't apologize for your scores- be confident that you have much to bring to the class as you certainly do!

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