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by arorag » Mon May 12, 2008 6:48 pm
Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for anybody with a pan or shovel.
A. because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for
B. because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of
C. owing to erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that had thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of
D. since erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, putting gold literally within reach for
E. since erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach of

Reasoning for the correct ans and also it will be a great help if someone can elaborate on the USE of SINCE

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Re: GOLD

by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Mon May 12, 2008 7:02 pm
arorag wrote:Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for anybody with a pan or shovel.
A. because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for
B. because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of
C. owing to erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that had thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of
D. since erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, putting gold literally within reach for
E. since erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach of

Reasoning for the correct ans and also it will be a great help if someone can elaborate on the USE of SINCE

Any reason
Very quick question if you know what to look for:

"because of erosion..." needs to be followed with ".. that put gold...".

"since erosion..." needs to be followed with "put gold...".

Only (e) uses the right combo.

In general, we say:

"because of X that did Y"

and

"since X did Y".

We could also just say "because X did Y".
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by gmattakers » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:25 pm
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Re: GOLD

by preetha_85 » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:16 am
Very quick question if you know what to look for:

"because of erosion..." needs to be followed with ".. that put gold...".

"since erosion..." needs to be followed with "put gold...".

Only (e) uses the right combo.

In general, we say:

"because of X that did Y"

and

"since X did Y".

We could also just say "because X did Y".

hi Stuart

i understand this logic .. but is'nt the question implying that erosion,volcanic activity,nd prehistoric glaciers are all contributing to the reason that ancient river beds were thrust onto the surface.

If tats the case how can e be right..

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by mmslf75 » Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:41 am
arorag wrote:Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for anybody with a pan or shovel.
A. because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for
B. because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of
C. owing to erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that had thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of
D. since erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, putting gold literally within reach for
E. since erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach of

Reasoning for the correct ans and also it will be a great help if someone can elaborate on the USE of SINCE

Any reason
Should we check

BETWEEN / SINCE and OWING to here, while choosing the answer

Should we check

REACH OF / REACH FOR , while choosing the answer

I believe there is a flaw with structure and that other issue follow later

BECAUSE OF X,Y and Z verb - awkward -- we cannnot have a CLAUSE after BECAUSE OF
OWING to X,Y and Z and putting - awkward
SINCE X y and Z putting - awkward
BECAUSE X,Y and Z putting - awkward
SINCE X,Y and Z put gold --- winner

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By the way
When should we use
BECAUSE
OWING TO
SINCE
DUE TO

Does GMAT Test this ??

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by hrishi19884 » Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:23 am
Stuart Kovinsky wrote:
arorag wrote:Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for anybody with a pan or shovel.
A. because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for
B. because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of
C. owing to erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that had thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of
D. since erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, putting gold literally within reach for
E. since erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach of

Reasoning for the correct ans and also it will be a great help if someone can elaborate on the USE of SINCE

Any reason
Very quick question if you know what to look for:

"because of erosion..." needs to be followed with ".. that put gold...".

"since erosion..." needs to be followed with "put gold...".

Only (e) uses the right combo.

In general, we say:

"because of X that did Y"

and

"since X did Y".

We could also just say "because X did Y".
No doubt E seems to be grammatically correct. But don't you think it changes the meaning of the sentence.

The following line : "erosion,prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity"

indicates that all the above 3 things are thrust to the surface by Volcanic activity and that had put gold literally within reach of anybody. This is not true.

Don't you think, "erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds that thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for anybody" would have been more accurate.

PLz let me know.
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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:51 pm
hrishi19884 wrote:
No doubt E seems to be grammatically correct. But don't you think it changes the meaning of the sentence.

The following line : "erosion,prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity"

indicates that all the above 3 things are thrust to the surface by Volcanic activity and that had put gold literally within reach of anybody. This is not true.

Don't you think, "erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds that thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for anybody" would have been more accurate.

PLz let me know.
Your wording has the exact same issue that you note from choice E; adding a "that" doesn't stop the phrase from modifying the entire list (and introduces a whole bunch of new grammatical issues).

If you're worried about that last modifying phrase being ambiguous (i.e. we're not sure if it modifies the entire list or just the last item), the only way to fix it is to change the order of the list:

"ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity, erosion and prehistoric glacier movement put gold literally within reach of anybody... "

clears up that issue.
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by mmslf75 » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:05 pm
mmslf75 wrote:
arorag wrote:Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for anybody with a pan or shovel.
A. because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for
B. because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of
C. owing to erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that had thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of
D. since erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, putting gold literally within reach for
E. since erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach of

Reasoning for the correct ans and also it will be a great help if someone can elaborate on the USE of SINCE

Any reason
Should we check

BETWEEN / SINCE and OWING to here, while choosing the answer

Should we check

REACH OF / REACH FOR , while choosing the answer

I believe there is a flaw with structure and that other issue follow later

BECAUSE OF X,Y and Z verb - awkward -- we cannnot have a CLAUSE after BECAUSE OF
OWING to X,Y and Z and putting - awkward
SINCE X y and Z putting - awkward
BECAUSE X,Y and Z putting - awkward
SINCE X,Y and Z put gold --- winner

---------------------------------
By the way
When should we use
BECAUSE
OWING TO
SINCE
DUE TO

Does GMAT Test this ??
Please confirm on the above.

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by hrishi19884 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:47 am
Stuart Kovinsky wrote:
hrishi19884 wrote:
No doubt E seems to be grammatically correct. But don't you think it changes the meaning of the sentence.

The following line : "erosion,prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity"

indicates that all the above 3 things are thrust to the surface by Volcanic activity and that had put gold literally within reach of anybody. This is not true.

Don't you think, "erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds that thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for anybody" would have been more accurate.

PLz let me know.
Your wording has the exact same issue that you note from choice E; adding a "that" doesn't stop the phrase from modifying the entire list (and introduces a whole bunch of new grammatical issues).

If you're worried about that last modifying phrase being ambiguous (i.e. we're not sure if it modifies the entire list or just the last item), the only way to fix it is to change the order of the list:

"ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity, erosion and prehistoric glacier movement put gold literally within reach of anybody... "

clears up that issue.
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by abhishekdrolia » Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:40 pm
IMO E.

The sentence has two different clause that are connected with a conjunction. The only conjunction in the answer choice is Since. In several places, since is synonymous with because and so clearly only E is the best option. The verb in the second clause is put and the subject is the entire noun phrase and because is the conjunction.

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by mmslf75 » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:23 am
mmslf75 wrote:
arorag wrote:Prospecting for gold during the California gold rush was a relatively easy task, because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for anybody with a pan or shovel.
A. because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach for
B. because of erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of
C. owing to erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that had thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, and putting gold literally within reach of
D. since erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and volcanic activity that thrust ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds to the surface, putting gold literally within reach for
E. since erosion, prehistoric glacier movement, and ancient, gold-bearing riverbeds thrust to the surface by volcanic activity put gold literally within reach of

Reasoning for the correct ans and also it will be a great help if someone can elaborate on the USE of SINCE

Any reason
Should we check

BETWEEN / SINCE and OWING to here, while choosing the answer

Should we check

REACH OF / REACH FOR , while choosing the answer

I believe there is a flaw with structure and that other issue follow later

BECAUSE OF X,Y and Z verb - awkward -- we cannnot have a CLAUSE after BECAUSE OF
OWING to X,Y and Z and putting - awkward
SINCE X y and Z putting - awkward
BECAUSE X,Y and Z putting - awkward
SINCE X,Y and Z put gold --- winner

---------------------------------
By the way
When should we use
BECAUSE
OWING TO
SINCE
DUE TO

Does GMAT Test this ??

Any1 ANy help on the above..

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by mehravikas » Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:40 pm
Hi Stuart,

Can you explain whether 'reach of' is correct or 'reach for' please?

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by mmslf75 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:42 am
Any reason
Should we check

BETWEEN / SINCE and OWING to here, while choosing the answer

Should we check

REACH OF / REACH FOR , while choosing the answer

I believe there is a flaw with structure and that other issue follow later

BECAUSE OF X,Y and Z verb - awkward -- we cannnot have a CLAUSE after BECAUSE OF
OWING to X,Y and Z and putting - awkward
SINCE X y and Z putting - awkward
BECAUSE X,Y and Z putting - awkward
SINCE X,Y and Z put gold --- winner

---------------------------------
By the way
When should we use
BECAUSE
OWING TO
SINCE
DUE TO

Does GMAT Test this ??

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by lunarpower » Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:50 am
expanding on what stuart said:
Stuart Kovinsky wrote:Very quick question if you know what to look for:

"because of erosion..." needs to be followed with ".. that put gold...".

"since erosion..." needs to be followed with "put gold...".
yes.

i should add that we can also say "because erosion ... put gold ...", although that structure is not present in any of the choices.
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by lunarpower » Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:58 am
mmslf75 wrote:Should we check

BETWEEN / SINCE and OWING to here, while choosing the answer
i'll assume you meant "because" (not "between").

"because" and "since" are basically the same in this case.

there are extremely minor differences in the ways in which "because" and "since" are used in very formal writing, but those are differences of rhetoric - they are way beyond the scope of anything on this exam.

Should we check

REACH OF / REACH FOR , while choosing the answer
"within reach of" is a correct idiom; "within reach for" is not.

I believe there is a flaw with structure and that other issue follow later
By the way
When should we use
BECAUSE
OWING TO
SINCE
DUE TO
i don't think you'll see any correct answers with "owing to".

you can't use "due to" unless you can replace it with "caused by".
this is one of the most frequently misused idioms in the english language.
ex.
james was almost an hour late due to the traffic --> INCORRECT (you couldn't say ...an hour late caused by the traffic)
james was almost an hour late because of the traffic --> CORRECT
the traffic delay, due to extensive construction, caused james to be late by almost an hour --> CORRECT (note that replacing "due to" with "caused by" creates an acceptable sentence here)
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