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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: mgmat inequalities Reply with quote

Is |x| <1> 0



qa is c

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:48 am    Post subject: Re: mgmat inequalities Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject: pc problem mgmat inequalities Reply with quote

Is |x| < 1 ?

(1) |x + 1| = 2|x – 1|

(2) |x – 3| > 0



qa is c

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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what I have so far:

Question is asking - is -1 < x < 1

Let's look at statement 2:
|x - 3| > 0
This doesn't tell you anything except that x DOES NOT EQUAL 3. For any other value, you can subtract three, take the absolute value and it is positive. 3 does not work because it says 3 - 3 = 0 > 0 not true.
This is insufficient (can be between -1 and 1 or can be higher)

Statement 1:
Let's look at values of x greater than 1 (because the second part of the statement is x-1, so I want to keep this expression positive).
You get:
x + 1 = 2x - 2 rearrange
3 = x This is one answer. And now you know that |x| is not less than 1

You need to find another value of x

This is where I actually failed. I could not figure out how to translate the equations to find a second value of x. (just by trial and error, I know that -3 is NOT the other solution, so I know that at least)

How you would set it up is evaluate each option:
x > 1 (all absolute value sections are positive)
1 > x > -1 (first statement is positive and second statement is negative)
x < -1 (all absolute value sections are negative)

Answer:
At this point, I know the answer is either going to be A or C. If A had given a second answer that is not -1 < x < 1, then that is the answer. If A provides an answer that is in that range, then you need statement B to prove that 3 is not the answer, and the second solution proves that -1 < x < 1.

In the interest of time (and already ruling out -3 as an answer), I guessed C, which is the official answer.


Incidentally - the second solution is 1/3. I figured this out a lot later, but could still use someone's help to set up the absolute value equations properly.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two solutions can be found by equating the abs equation on the RHS by first considering it + and then -

so I soln

x+1 = 2 (+(x-1))
you get x = 3

II soln

x+1 = 2(-(x-1))
x = 1/3

so ans is C

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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

netigen wrote:
Two solutions can be found by equating the abs equation on the RHS by first considering it + and then -

so I soln

x+1 = 2 (+(x-1))
you get x = 3

II soln

x+1 = 2(-(x-1))
x = 1/3

so ans is C

Hope this helps


correct: you can solve any equality with absolute values by letting the absolute value take on the following 2 values:
* the same as the expression within the absolute value bars;
* the opposite of the expression within the absolute value bars.

if you have multiple absolute values, you have to make sure that you get all possible combinations. for instance, if you have the equation 3 + |x| = |y|, there are 4 possible equations:
3 + x = y
3 - x = y
3 - x = -y
3 + x = -y

finally, perhaps the most important point: you have to CHECK THE SOLUTIONS that you find whenever you solve with this method. you're guaranteed to find all the actual solutions, but you may come up with some 'extraneous' solutions (values that you get from the process, but that don't actually solve the equation) as well. those = bad.

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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey netigen..great explanation but I have just one doubt..did u try changing the expression of stat(1) on both the sides ?

what I mean is, since its absolution on both sides of stat(1) did you try the following:

-(x+1)=2(-(x-1)) This gives the answer for x=-1. Though subsitituting the value of x=-1 in the expression does not hold true for stat(1). But I am just wondering how to approach the problem.

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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moneyman wrote:
Hey netigen..great explanation but I have just one doubt..did u try changing the expression of stat(1) on both the sides ?

what I mean is, since its absolution on both sides of stat(1) did you try the following:

-(x+1)=2(-(x-1)) This gives the answer for x=-1.


nope, it will give x = 3 again. watch the distributing on those negative signs.
or, better yet just cancel them.

if you have an equation with ONLY the two absolute values (one on each side), then there's no point in trying the negative/negative combo, because it's the same as positive/positive: both of them are just saying that the signs of the 2 absolute value expressions are the same.
similarly, there's little point in trying both (expression 1) = -(expression 2) and -(expression 1) = (expression 2); those two are also the same equation in different forms.

if there's other stuff added to the absolute value, though (as in my examples with the extra '3'), then you need to try all the combinations.

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