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One result of the family's long ordeal at sea was their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their minds tend to wander.

A: their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their
B: their appreciation that as people dehydrate, their
C: to appreciate that when a person dehydrates, his or her
D: to appreciate that when people dehydrate, their
E: appreciating that as people dehydrate, their

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Tue May 22, 2012 12:26 am
A - "their" cannot refer to person.

B - perfect.

C - "Tend" plural, "his or here" is singular - incorrect

D - the use of "infinitives" is wrong here. "infinitives" are generally used for indicative, futuristic action. Here since its a "result...", infinitives is not proper.

E - "their appreciating" is wrong.

Hope this helps !!

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Tue May 22, 2012 2:40 am
No... It is not the correct OA...

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Tue May 22, 2012 4:26 am
OA should be D not sure though .
here's my reasoning

Family's (singular) so options with their can be ruled out (A,B) leaves us with C ,D , E
among these C can be ruled out reason being , it uses "his or her" which does not compliment the plural "minds" in the un-underlined part .

leaves us with D and E of which D sounds better.

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Thu May 24, 2012 11:35 am
D for me
OA??

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Thu May 24, 2012 11:52 am
OA should be (B). Avik.ch explained it well. please double check the OA.

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Thu May 24, 2012 8:34 pm
OA cannot be B.

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Thu May 24, 2012 9:50 pm
hey_thr67 wrote:
No... It is not the correct OA...
can you please share the OA ?

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Fri May 25, 2012 12:34 am
hey_thr67 wrote:
One result of the family's long ordeal at sea was their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their minds tend to wander.

A: their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their
B: their appreciation that as people dehydrate, their
C: to appreciate that when a person dehydrates, his or her
D: to appreciate that when people dehydrate, their
E: appreciating that as people dehydrate, their
IMO we can drop A/C easily:

A - a person...THEIR MINDS
C - a person...his or her MINDS

We do not expect A PERSON TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE MIND!

E - we do not know what does THAT refers (ONE RESULT...WAS APPRECIATING THAT...); we do not see any connection btn main clause and relative clause.

IMO there is difference btn using AS and WHEN

AS - USED TO INDICATE 'PERIOD OF TIME (ie DURATION)'; WHEN - USED TO indicate AT A POINT IN TIME

From this IMO we can drop B/E (even A) and select D;

One more point I forgot to add: IMO "THEIR" for FAMILY'S is not correct

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Fri May 25, 2012 4:35 am
D it is because family is singular and people are plural.

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Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:12 am
hey_thr67 wrote:
One result of the family's long ordeal at sea was their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their minds tend to wander.
A: their appreciation that as a person dehydrates, their
B: their appreciation that as people dehydrate, their
C: to appreciate that when a person dehydrates, his or her
D: to appreciate that when people dehydrate, their
E: appreciating that as people dehydrate, their
Hi, there. I'm happy to contribute to this.

First, let's address the pronoun & number difficulties.

"Family" is singular, so use of the pronoun "their" is incorrect. This is a classic GMAT SC mistake --- to use a singular noun (like "family", "company", "crowd", etc.) which implicitly contains a number of people, and then refer to it with a plural pronoun. The GMAT loves this as a mistake pattern. We find this classic mistake pattern in (A) and (B), so they are both right out.

On the other side of the sentence, "minds" is plural, so that requires a plural subject --- not the "his or her" singular subject of (C) --- "his or her minds" is incorrect, so (C) is out.

That leaves (D) and (E).
D: to appreciate that when people dehydrate, their
E: appreciating that as people dehydrate, their

What I find problematic about this question --- there's not a clear black/white grammatical distinction between these two choices. On the GMAT, you will always find something black/white that allows you to determine which of two choices is correct. What we have here is very subtle, more subtle that what I have seen from GMAC. Both "when" and "as" are correct, so the choice is simply between the infinitive "to appreciate" vs. the gerund "appreciating"

To my ear, the predicate following "result" should be an infinitive, not a gerund.

"the result is to do X" --- this sounds idiomatically correct, direct, and clear
"the result is doing X" --- this sounds weaker, less forceful, and awkward

Because of that, I'll say I prefer D as the answer, but I will hasten to add: I don't feel as committed to this answer as I would to an answer in the GMAT itself, because I feel there's not a strong enough black/white distinction among these answer choices.

Fundamentally, I think this is a poorly written question. It's surprising how many low quality sources out there are producing questions for the GMAT, and the unsuspecting public gobbles those questions up. In the next few weeks, Magoosh will publish book reviews of the various GMAT books on the our free blog ---- basically, all sources in print received poor grades except for MGMAT.

Here's a higher quality SC question:
http://gmat.magoosh.com/questions/1183
When you submit your answer, the following page will have the complete video explanation.

I hope that helps. Please let me know if anyone reading this has any further questions.

Mike

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Hi Mike,

is it possible for pronoun to point to a possessive . For example, in statement A: their pointing Family’s… lets say if the sentence were “it” pointing “family’s” would that be correct ?

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Hi Mike,

is it possible for pronoun to point to a possessive . For example, in statement A: their pointing Family’s… lets say if the sentence were “it” pointing “family’s” would that be correct ?

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Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:56 pm
hey_thr67 wrote:
Hi Mike, is it possible for pronoun to point to a possessive . For example, in statement A: their pointing Family’s… lets say if the sentence were “it” pointing “family’s” would that be correct ?
That's a great question!

Every pronoun must have a clear and proper antecedent, and according to most conventions, a noun in the possessive case does not constitute a proper antecedent. Is this an absolute black & white rule of grammar? Well, not quite --- it's more in the shades of gray. Nevertheless, on the GMAT, a sentence in which the antecedent of a pronoun is in the possessive case will NEVER be correct.

Therefore, in GMAT terms, the pronoun "it" cannot be used if the antecedent, "family's", is in the possessive case.

Does that make sense?

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